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| Posted: Fri Jul 19th, 2013 05:57 |
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jk
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richw wrote: jk wrote: Not as I see it. I dont want the features of Lightroom only the RAW conversion to allow me to edit a TIFF or JPG in the Photoshop version of my preference. I find Lightroom interface to be very clunky. Maybe this is done to protect the innocent so they dont inadvertently edit images! I cannot for the life of me understand why I need to change modules from Library to Develop to do some small changes to an image (sharpening, curves, spotting). It is just poor interface design as it slows down the process of editing whilst cataloguing. I think that ACR should be charged at £40-£50 per version. So I should be able to use ACR v23 with Photoshop 7 or ACR v20 with CS6 if that is what I want.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19th, 2013 13:31 |
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TomOC
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richw wrote:jk wrote: Rich- ACR is everything LR is and more...it is an integrated part of the PS workflow similar to the way plugins are. To my way of seeing it, LR is a prettified version of Elements burdened by the insane catalog system. Actually, all we may NEED is a prettified version of Elements, so that was not necessarily a criticism. But we do NOT need the catalogs. Anyone who has set up a good DAM system over the years does not need this catalog concept that so many app developers are embracing. They are embracing it because it ENSLAVES the user to their apps, not because it is the best or safest way to manage your files. I know you like the CS (so I suppose CC) system because you have needs for the whole library of apps - for you, it's a very good deal to pay $50 per month since you use 5 or 6 of the apps. For the rest of use who use only photoshop (and ACR), it is a terrible deal. Especially terrible for the folks who do not upgrade every version...not to mention the fact that many of us are fairly independent crochety old geezers who don't want to be forced into anything 
____________________ Tom O'Connell -Lots of people talk to animals.... Not very many listen, though.... That's the problem. Benjamin Hoff, The Tao of Pooh |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19th, 2013 13:41 |
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jk
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TomOC wrote:...not to mention the fact that many of us are fairly independent crochety old geezers who don't want to be forced into anything Tom that is not correct. I am a very independent and highly crochety old geezer who hates parting with his money to large corporates !! 
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| Posted: Sat Jul 20th, 2013 07:04 |
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Eric
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I have a swiss army knife and I have never used someof the tools...and probably never will. Having all the tools in place means I invariably pull out a couple of the wrong tools before I get the one I want. Really annoying. I've often wondered why they don't offer clip in tools...so you can buy and fit just the ones YOU will use. It's the same with software. Having selected the editing package I like, I would just like to add on the additional tools I need. Why do I have to buy another complete package that duplicates many of my editing package functions just to get a simple add on function...like a raw file converter??
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| Posted: Sat Jul 20th, 2013 08:54 |
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jk
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Eric wrote: I have a swiss army knife and I have never used someof the tools...and probably never will. Having all the tools in place means I invariably pull out a couple of the wrong tools before I get the one I want. Really annoying. Yes exactly. Especially when the new product keeps adding in extra functionality that I dont need. So when have I ever wanted to do puppet/stick animation? I am sure someone wants it but sell it as Adobe Puppeteer or Adobe Animator.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21st, 2013 14:32 |
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richw
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TomOC wrote:richw wrote: Well CC aside, there is actually nothing in ACR that is not in Lightroom and for the editing part nothing in Lightroom that is not in ACR, they are identical. I do take your point about Lightroom also being a DAM solution as well, but for most users of the product they want that. Lightroom is also available to purchase outside the CS/CC model currently (unlike Photoshop).
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22nd, 2013 00:48 |
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TomOC
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Rich- I didn't state that well... comparing ACR to LR is like comparing Apple to PCs... Not to start a system war, but the main thing that Apple has is an eco system that is integrated. ACR is integrated to PS and PS to the plugins. LR is integrated to catalogs (sigh). Half of the time I'm firing up PS is to find one file and maybe tweak it and then print it. The DAM system in LR is a negative to me and if it could just be turned off never to be seen again, the LR might be fine for me. I understand that many users of LR do want the DAM system. That's probably because they don't have one already. It will be interesting to see how much they like it 5 or 10 years down the road when they might have a couple hundred thousand images in it. As far as I can see, the app developers love the DAM catalog systems...it handcuffs you to their product. Over a 40 year history, I have gone from binders of printed contact sheets/binders of neg strips numbered and stored to (after scanning all of them), several different digital solutions, the latest of which is Media Pro for the archive and Photo Mechanic for the IPTC and keywords. Each time I made the switch (except for the one from binders) I was able to import the old data pretty much without a hitch. I don't see that happening with catalogs from Aperture, LR or Capture One. Nor do I see them as systems that are easily networked and easily updated to store a second complete backup on an offsite machine. Sorry for the rant... Tom
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22nd, 2013 22:40 |
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richw
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Tom, Lightroom is also fully integrated to Photoshop. I have both open normally they interact nicely together and you can move from one to other seamlessly. Just cmd click on the image and choose 'Edit in Photshop'. All the ACR adjustments are applied just as if you had opened in Photoshop ACR and clicked OK. You can also run HDR and Panoramic stitching right from within Lightroom. However to keep your ACR in photoshop up to date you need to update photoshop, Lightroom will integrate and work with any version of photoshop and the update cost of Lightroom is small compared to Photoshop and doesn't require the CC model. It willll aso integrate into elements if you wish. You do get the Dam and other features but did you know you can actually hide modules if you don't want them? I think this is the closest you will get to stand alone ACR.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 00:21 |
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TomOC
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Rich- Hiding the catalog module is something I didn't know about. I'll have to look into that. I thought you had to create a catalog before you could actually open an image in LR. For now, I'm spending my time trying to get up to speed with Capture One7 - they have a catalog system in this version that seems to be identical to LR but they also have another system called Sessions which is half way between clean and a catalog. For the life of me, I wonder how people who have multiple computers and who move images around can ever just fire one up, find the image they were looking for and make a little tweak and print it. I have 2 locations, 3 computers and two external HDDs that I archive to at the end of each month (and then copy files and physically transport to the 2nd one which is at the other location). I just don't see how I can do that in any of the catalog situations. I still have a lot to learn about Capture One but it looks like it will do most of what photoshop does and a few things it doesn't. For sure the raw converter is equal to and most people feel better than ACR. I have to work through 20 years of photoshop-think to really evaluate CO7 properly. If that doesn't work, I definitely have to do more research on LR ... But that ties me once again to Adobe...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 06:39 |
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richw
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At the end of the day there are many perfectly acceptable solutions and methods out there, which you use is not really important - the only things that matter are the work you produce and how much you enjoy the process.
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