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Posted: Sat Jun 8th, 2013 12:09
 
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Ed Matusik wrote:
Robert wrote: Well yes of course RAW conversion is very important to us. I don't know where we are with the Nikon software which is what we *should* be using. last I heard it was slow and worse on a Mac.



 

I thought about NIK software too Robert, but didn't they just sell something to Google? I have the original Capture, but never bothered to upgrade to the current version. By the way, Adobe has Lightroom on its list of downloads for CC. We haven't downloaded anything from the CC site yet, as we have CS6 Production Premium on our computer and for the time being, it's identical to what's on the cloud site.  I'd be interested to see if putting together an aggregate of separate software offerings for various companies is price-competitive to just subscribing to Adobe's Photoshop on the cloud. Also, how much learning and trial and error would it take to concatenate separate programs to give the identical result from photoshop? 


P.S., I do regularly upgrade my windows codec from Nikon's site so I can see NEF files even with Microsoft image software.


Ed -

Except for Snapseed, NIK really isn't a standalone, but it is one of the great plugin packages and now is very reasonably priced by Google.



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This is one area where I am particularly concerned about the developments of operating systems.

Perfectly satisfactory software which does all I need and more is rendered useless by updates to the operating system, under the cloak of increased performance and improved usability/stability.

The OS is perfectly capable of running emulation software to enable legacy and other incompatible software to run on even the newest systems but the developers of the OS's intentionally withdraw that emulation software, which forces users to upgrade what is otherwise perfectly adequately usable software from running.

Rosetta was withdrawn at Lion I think, which made a lot of my perfectly OK software redundant.

The developers provide for other operating systems but prevent the installation of older systems on newer hardware.

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I agree that that can be frustrating, Robert but that is one of the characteristics of apple that I actually like. You can only support legacy apps for a certain amount of time without compromising the current OS...that's the Windows conundrum - support EVERYTHING and you have a real pot lucky soup on your hands.



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TomOC wrote:
Robert wrote:
This is one area where I am particularly concerned about the developments of operating systems.

Perfectly satisfactory software which does all I need and more is rendered useless by updates to the operating system, under the cloak of increased performance and improved usability/stability.

The OS is perfectly capable of running emulation software to enable legacy and other incompatible software to run on even the newest systems but the developers of the OS's intentionally withdraw that emulation software, which forces users to upgrade what is otherwise perfectly adequately usable software from running.

Rosetta was withdrawn at Lion I think, which made a lot of my perfectly OK software redundant.

The developers provide for other operating systems but prevent the installation of older systems on newer hardware.

Rant/


I agree that that can be frustrating, Robert but that is one of the characteristics of apple that I actually like. You can only support legacy apps for a certain amount of time without compromising the current OS...that's the Windows conundrum - support EVERYTHING and you have a real pot lucky soup on your hands.


If you don't need updated software that's OS dependant....why update OS in first place? Does it really give THAT amount of benefit?

I still run Windows XP and CS3 and it still beats me...it ain't broken, so why meddle?



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TomOC wrote:
Robert wrote:
This is one area where I am particularly concerned about the developments of operating systems.

Perfectly satisfactory software which does all I need and more is rendered useless by updates to the operating system, under the cloak of increased performance and improved usability/stability.

The OS is perfectly capable of running emulation software to enable legacy and other incompatible software to run on even the newest systems but the developers of the OS's intentionally withdraw that emulation software, which forces users to upgrade what is otherwise perfectly adequately usable software from running.

Rosetta was withdrawn at Lion I think, which made a lot of my perfectly OK software redundant.

The developers provide for other operating systems but prevent the installation of older systems on newer hardware.

Rant/


I agree that that can be frustrating, Robert but that is one of the characteristics of apple that I actually like. You can only support legacy apps for a certain amount of time without compromising the current OS...that's the Windows conundrum - support EVERYTHING and you have a real pot lucky soup on your hands.


If you don't need updated software that's OS dependant....why update OS in first place? Does it really give THAT amount of benefit?

I still run Windows XP and CS3 and it still beats me...it ain't broken, so why meddle?


Aside of other considerations for me Lion was compelling, the ease of use for using multiple computers at multiple locations was exactly what I needed. Contrary to my expectations the iCloud has been a dream come true. I still feel too much stuff is being 'dumbed down' but I am getting used to that I suppose

At that time the only software which Lion really killed for me was MS Office 2003. I have spreadsheets which I rely on and many Word documents which I need to be able to access. I have found with some limitations that Apples iWork can replace the functionality of Office. But I was fortunate to be using Adobe CS5 which is still supported.

My concerns are of a general nature. I accept that we don't want a soup which becomes a mishmash but the way the developers actively block any legitimate attempts to prolong legacy software's life seems without justification.



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Try LibreOffice then Robert.
It is free and does Microsoft Office 2011 documents.



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Thanks Jk, will take a look I tried Open Office but the experience wasn't great. Kind of matched the price.



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I agree that that can be frustrating, Robert but that is one of the characteristics of apple that I actually like. You can only support legacy apps for a certain amount of time without compromising the current OS...that's the Windows conundrum - support EVERYTHING and you have a real pot lucky soup on your hands.

If you don't need updated software that's OS dependant....why update OS in first place? Does it really give THAT amount of benefit?

I still run Windows XP and CS3 and it still beats me...it ain't broken, so why meddle?


The OS is generally something I want - extra features and security and from apple it's free or $25 so no one is sticking a gun to my head.

Plus, mainly, I like more speed - no matter how fast I am already - and usually, you can't get the speed without upgrading everything. Right now I have a fairly new macbook pro (18 months old) and a 5 year old Macbook and iMac...the last two drive me crazy sometimes opening D800 files and the newish MBP is snappy fast.

I've been trying to wait for the wifi and thunderbolt upgrades to come to imacs and will buy a new one then and it will seem silly fast (drool, drool, excitement). The body may be getting old but the tech center of the doddering brain is still intact and firing :-)



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Robert wrote:
Thanks Jk, will take a look I tried Open Office but the experience wasn't great. Kind of matched the price.
Open Office v2.x was fairly slow but version 3 was much better.
LibreOffice is very good. The spreadsheet macros are nearly identical.

If you want something better for great page layout then you need a desktop publishing tool. QuarkExpress or iBooks or InDesign are the tools.



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