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| Posted: Fri Jun 7th, 2013 15:01 |
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jk
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Agree with Eric. I is another reason to walk away from Adobe! They are NOT listening to their customers. There have been numerous requests over the years for ACR to be a single stand along software which it could be very easily. They have decided they now best and will pay the proce for not listening! Well PirateBay does listen and does it better. Whilst I dont agree in principle about the use of software that you havent paid for I do also object to be taken as a mug and those big corporates hat purchases softwares to remove competition. Guilty parties....... Adobe, Corel, Microsoft. There is a saying that says 'if you live by the sword then you die by he sword', there is a parallel, if you are greedy and dont listen to your customer because you are sole concerned with profit and monoploy then beware there are always people who will outsmart you. Competition is healthy and listening to customers makes them return time and time again. I say again.... Adobe forget about my Adobe Id as I will NOT EVER buy anymore software or upgrades from you until you unbundle ACR from Photoshop. Also I WILL NEVER EVER BUY you Creative Cloud product set. I DO NOT RENT, I BUY.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 7th, 2013 15:02 |
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TomOC
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I agree with Eric...it is all a blackmail tied to ACR. ACR is no longer the requirement it once was. I came across a number of raw converters when adobe was so slow to update ACR for the fuji x cameras. Unfortunately, I have not bought a Nikon new enough to need other apps - the last I bought was the D800 and that was quite recently. In addition to the items that JK listed, I have found and use: Silkypix (free for fuji and paid for other raw formats) Free ware RAW CONVERTER Raw Photo Processor (RPP) Apple Preview Raw photo converter Xn view These are only Mac apps, if you do a web search on RAW CONVERTER, you will find dozens for windows and mac (from $15 to $150 with trials). Silkypix is really one of the very best output apps but it takes some getting used to - worth the effort, I think. Once converted - a number of apps can do most editing: Snapseed is one of my favorites Plugins are more important to me than just the PS editing: NIK plugins all work with aperture as well as LR and Ps about 6 months ago, I started using OnOne Perfect Photo Suite - this works as a plugin to PS, LR and Aperture and also runs as a standalone. The standalone is better in some ways than PS. Perfect layers is much simpler and I more powerful than PS layers and can only be used in the standalone mode, so I find myself using the whole app as much as PS already. Of course Capture One is probably the primary alternative for many, but I really don't like any of the apps that require a catalog (Cap one and LR). The one major impediment long term is what file format to use... I've not listened well when some of you ranted against PSD files in favor of DNG or TIF and now I have all my files as PSD. So far this isn't a problem opening old files but I'm toying with changing all of my new files to TIF only...we'll see. Keep in mind that this is still pretty theoretical...CS6 is still on my machine and as long as I can convert raw files from nikon and fuji with SOME app, I can edit them in PS and/or PPS and I'm right where I am today. I have to believe that a few of the adobe competitors will ramp up in the coming months - competition will be good for us and adobe has sure invited it. Tom
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| Posted: Fri Jun 7th, 2013 15:04 |
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jk
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Good points, Tom. I agree.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 7th, 2013 15:05 |
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jk
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Tom re PSD files if you try Acorn Editor that will open PSD files saved in compatibility mode.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 7th, 2013 15:17 |
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TomOC
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JK- That looks like a nice app for $49 but I don't really need it yet  .It does raw conversion, too but quite slowly. Tom
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| Posted: Fri Jun 7th, 2013 15:49 |
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jk
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I got mine for $19 but that was good timing! Yes it is slow but everything is compared with Bibble5/AfterShot Pro which is about twice or three times as fast as Photoshop ACR and Lightroom.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 8th, 2013 03:54 |
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Eric
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I remember the days when I never changed camera bodies for years. I experimented with new film stock when it came out, as this was a minor investment. Most of my money was channelled into getting better and better quality glass. Today, the quality of DSLRs has approached the same point (where we no longer need to change bodies) and the minimal cost of digital 'film' means we could again plough money into glass.....but for software. THAT has become the money hole....if we let it!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 8th, 2013 09:04 |
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Robert
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This is one area where I am particularly concerned about the developments of operating systems. Perfectly satisfactory software which does all I need and more is rendered useless by updates to the operating system, under the cloak of increased performance and improved usability/stability. The OS is perfectly capable of running emulation software to enable legacy and other incompatible software to run on even the newest systems but the developers of the OS's intentionally withdraw that emulation software, which forces users to upgrade what is otherwise perfectly adequately usable software from running. Rosetta was withdrawn at Lion I think, which made a lot of my perfectly OK software redundant. The developers provide for other operating systems but prevent the installation of older systems on newer hardware. Rant/
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| Posted: Sat Jun 8th, 2013 09:39 |
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jk
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Yes indeed Robert. I have had to update my OSX 10.6.8 to 10.8.3 to get some of the latest RAW updates for OSX, that is ridiculous! That also applies for some of the latest software it needs 10.7.x or better!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 8th, 2013 12:07 |
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TomOC
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Eric wrote:I remember the days when I never changed camera bodies for years. I experimented with new film stock when it came out, as this was a minor investment. Most of my money was channelled into getting better and better quality glass. An interesting side note to that... In the RangeFinderForum, the folks who use film generally don't even bother to mention the camera body in the shooting data, just the lens. Of course the digital folks have all the EXIF info
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