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| Posted: Sat Jul 22nd, 2023 08:23 |
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novicius
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I am a Documentary photog. and altho` oftentimes I have been grumbling about " that branch" being in the way, and tempted to remove it hardhandedly,instead using PC Nikkors ( I`ve got them All ) yet ,I am, looking favourably upon the new tech., however, were I still on the job, I would at all times have a camera loaded with color-slide, as I am worried that one day,the courts would demand to see evidence that the submitted photographic evidence is accurate,and as we all know, colorslide can not be fiddled with.
____________________ Back in Danmark I do not use my equipment to make photo`s .. I take photo`s to use my equipment The better I become at photography,the better my camera gets. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22nd, 2023 20:20 |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:Hehehe - you missed 2 more ..... Another anorak 
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22nd, 2023 21:13 |
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Eric
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novicius wrote:I am a Documentary photog. and altho` oftentimes I have been grumbling about " that branch" being in the way, and tempted to remove it hardhandedly,instead using PC Nikkors ( I`ve got them All ) yet ,I am, looking favourably upon the new tech., however, were I still on the job, I would at all times have a camera loaded with color-slide, as I am worried that one day,the courts would demand to see evidence that the submitted photographic evidence is accurate,and as we all know, colorslide can not be fiddled with. That’s a fair point. A number of photographic occupations are equally constrained to ‘leave the captured images unaltered’. As a commercial photographer I was often required to make the customers product look as good as possible….quite the opposite scenario …and a not insignificant challenge in some cases. Lol One customer, who made stainless steel packaging machinery, required me to create brochures of their 10metre packing lines which were sitting on a factory floor (often still being worked on by employees) and to exclude the workshop benches, girlie calendars, racking, people, tools and electric cabling…not to mention ‘reglazing’ the Perspex guards/screens which were ‘see through’ … so as to retain their transparency! The vast majority of the work to realise their needs was the digital editing of the original photos. Many hours work. I would argue that such specific detailed alterations would be beyond AI in its current form. 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2023 10:19 |
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Iain
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I think your right Eric, changes like that would still need a lot of human imput.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2023 10:19 |
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Iain
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I think your right Eric, changes like that would still need a lot of human imput.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 12:04 |
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Eric
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Eric wrote:That’s a fair point. A number of photographic occupations are equally constrained to ‘leave the captured images unaltered’. Byway of an example I trawled through my old files. in the early years I took the photos but as the young sons of the owner came into the business they wanted to take their own photographs (to save money). This is the sort of photo they sent… (Taken on a Canon  ) Click here to comment on this image.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 12:05 |
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Eric
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Eric wrote:Byway of an example I trawled through my old files. This was the sort of image they wanted (part edited version - spot the unedited bits) ….  Click here to comment on this image. AI would not be intelligent enough to know which bits were part of the machine and to include them….and which were background detritus and to exclude them
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 12:26 |
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Eric
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Here is an example of a machine with macrolon guards added back after reflections and see through detail removed. The image is on a layer in Photoshop so any background can be added ….and the image will show correctly through the guards…. Click here to comment on this image. Again…AI would struggle with the level of masking needed to achieve this detail.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 13:03 |
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chrisbet
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I think AI is not actually in any way "intelligent" - it seems to me that it takes percentagee guesses based on what it already knows and applies them in a way that makes sense to the programmer that wrote the software. So the end result is only as good as the combination of those things, it will only get better if the end user gives feedback.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 14:06 |
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Eric
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chrisbet wrote:I think AI is not actually in any way "intelligent" - it seems to me that it takes percentagee guesses based on what it already knows and applies them in a way that makes sense to the programmer that wrote the software. So the end result is only as good as the combination of those things, it will only get better if the end user gives feedback. I was having a chat with Graham the other day about photo insertion. I am sure Graham will post examples of his volcano. He was trying to add an eruption to his photograph of an extinct/dormant volcano. The offerings were quite pathetic apparently ….more like a firework coming out of the top. Haha It however raised an issue…where does Photoshop get its images? Off the internet of course. So when you ask it to create a particular scene…..it goes and finds one. If you don’t like it you tell it to find a better one….and it does it. You then ask it to add a new feature (eg a highland cow) ….and it finds one…ad nauseum. The point is…these aren’t your photos. You may be creating YOUR artwork but using OTHERS photos by proxy. 
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