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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 09:12 |
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novicius wrote:I just want to adress the example of the B&W photo with the fairies, which can hardly be called manipulation but would be considered Creative use of the media. I would still regard the fairies photo as manipulation. It presumably involved the overlaying of two glass plate negatives in the darkroom. That’s not really any different to masking an area and pasting in another image in Photoshops “lightroom”. Graham can also tell the stories of touching up glamour models…….or rather photographic transparencies of glamour models ….back in the 60s. However, the key point is neither of these examples fall into the documentary category. Howard Carters photos of Tutankhamen burial chamber could have been easily ‘manipulated’ by photographing the chamber after all the gold had been removed. “Sorry guys it had been plundered long ago”…..and the people involved took their silence cut of the spoils. Documentary photography has always relied on the integrity of the photographer. It’s just that today there are easier, foolproof ways of manipulating images….and fewer people with integrity, when integrity is needed.
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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 09:18 |
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novicius wrote:Yes, back in the day, I was shooting in B&W negative and Color with slides. And yet forensic scientists use digital cameras for their work, even with IR and UV filtration which could arguably be a manipulated image. So the modern world has come to accept the risk around authenticity in digital images to some degree. Or they have ways of safeguarding or assuring authenticity?
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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 13:37 |
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Eric wrote:And yet forensic scientists use digital cameras for their work, even with IR and UV filtration which could arguably be a manipulated image. So the modern world has come to accept the risk around authenticity in digital images to some degree. Or they have ways of safeguarding or assuring authenticity? Nikon produced hardware and software to support authentication of digital images from their film and digital cameras so that digital images could be used in court as definitive images that had full authentication against tampering or editing.
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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 14:14 |
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Eric wrote:And yet forensic scientists use digital cameras for their work, even with IR and UV filtration which could arguably be a manipulated image. So the modern world has come to accept the risk around authenticity in digital images to some degree. Or they have ways of safeguarding or assuring authenticity? Point well made ,but then this is about Documentation of a Scientific Purpose,yet as You can see, Debates can arise, so yes, the Integrity of the photog is then at stake, a reputation can be long and hard to build ,yet easy and quick to destroy.
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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 14:15 |
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jk wrote:Nikon produced hardware and software to support authentication of digital images from their film and digital cameras so that digital images could be used in court as definitive images that had full authentication against tampering or editing. I was n`t Aware of that, or are you referring to " watermarks" ?...which can be easily removed ?
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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 14:50 |
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jk wrote:Nikon produced hardware and software to support authentication of digital images from their film and digital cameras so that digital images could be used in court as definitive images that had full authentication against tampering or editing. Bye eck ….you know some stuff. ![]() Have Canon, Sony et al followed suit?
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Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 20:33 |
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I don't know what the procedure is nowadays but when I was much younger working for HMC&E investigation we had to give witness statements preserving the chain of evidence for photos, so that meant everyone involved in the production of the photo including the processing!
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Posted: Tue Mar 5th, 2024 07:58 |
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I wonder if all these visitors to the forum that don’t say anything or stay, are baffled (or bored) by the protracted banter that seems to pervade our threads? (Mea culpa by the way.) It’s like having a drink and natter with 5 or 6 mates down the pub, while the rest of the bar occupants look over our shoulders listen in. (Without the beer of course ![]()
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Posted: Tue Mar 5th, 2024 11:28 |
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It’s like having a drink and natter with 5 or 6 mates down the pub, Yes - that is exactly what most fora have become now and I don't see an issue with that, it is preferable to the mainstream chat places that are always shoving adverts or "suggestions" at you! ![]()
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Posted: Tue Mar 5th, 2024 14:26 |
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chrisbet wrote:It’s like having a drink and natter with 5 or 6 mates down the pub, Absolutely. It’s just a shame people out there seem to prefer to tell the world what they had for lunch and where they are going at the weekend rather than share and learn something with more substance.
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