This site requires new users to accept that a small amount of member data is captured and held in an attempt to reduce spammers and to manage users. This site also uses cookies to ensure ease of use. In order to comply with new DPR regulations you are required to agree/disagree with this process. If you do not agree then please email the Admins using info@nikondslr.uk after requesting a new account. Thank you.

 Moderated by: chrisbet, Page:  First Page Previous Page  ...  17  18  19  20  21  22  23  24  25  26  27  ...  Next Page Last Page  
Using AI in photography   -   Page   22
General discussion and graham's youtube film  Rating:  Rating
AuthorPost



Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 09:12
 
211th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4529
Status: 
Offline
novicius wrote:
I just want to adress the example of the B&W photo with the fairies, which can hardly be called manipulation but would be considered Creative use of the media.

As I understand it, Manipulation can be a blatant lie with grave repercussion as a result, specially when security forces are involved, yes, I do know of an incident where the photog got into a Hefty dispute where he was accused of causing an upset ,when luckily he could produce a color slide .

Documentary is about showing what is outthere, nothing more, nothing less.

I would still regard the fairies photo as manipulation. It presumably involved the overlaying of two glass plate negatives in the darkroom. That’s not really any different to masking an area and pasting in another image in Photoshops “lightroom”.

Graham can also tell the stories of touching up glamour models…….or rather photographic transparencies of glamour models ….back in the 60s.

However, the key point is neither of these examples fall into the documentary category.

Howard Carters photos of Tutankhamen burial chamber could have been easily ‘manipulated’ by photographing the chamber after all the gold had been removed. “Sorry guys it had been plundered long ago”…..and the people involved took their silence cut of the spoils.   

Documentary photography has always relied on the integrity of the photographer.  It’s just that today there are easier, foolproof ways of manipulating images….and fewer people with integrity, when integrity is needed.



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 09:18
 
212th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4529
Status: 
Offline
novicius wrote:
Yes, back in the day, I was shooting in B&W negative and Color with slides.

There is No way to Manipulate slides ( it would be Detected right away ).

Would I be in the game today, then I would have a camera loaded with color-slide , say take one shot with it and then followed by a series in Digital of the same subject.

I would be very careful of Not to be sued or accused by security forces.

And yet forensic scientists use digital cameras for their work, even with IR and UV filtration which could arguably be a manipulated image.  So the modern world has come to accept the risk around authenticity in digital images to some degree. Or they have ways of safeguarding or assuring authenticity?



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 13:37
 
213th Post
jk



Joined: Sun Apr 1st, 2012
Location: Carthew, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 6967
Status: 
Offline
Eric wrote:
And yet forensic scientists use digital cameras for their work, even with IR and UV filtration which could arguably be a manipulated image.  So the modern world has come to accept the risk around authenticity in digital images to some degree. Or they have ways of safeguarding or assuring authenticity?
Nikon produced hardware and software to support authentication of digital images from their film and digital cameras so that digital images could be used in court as definitive images that had full authentication against tampering or editing.



____________________
Still learning after all these years!
https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none
 




Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 14:14
 
214th Post
novicius



Joined: Sun Aug 12th, 2012
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 445
Status: 
Offline
Eric wrote:
And yet forensic scientists use digital cameras for their work, even with IR and UV filtration which could arguably be a manipulated image.  So the modern world has come to accept the risk around authenticity in digital images to some degree. Or they have ways of safeguarding or assuring authenticity?
Point well made ,but then this is about Documentation of a Scientific Purpose,yet as You can see, Debates can arise, so yes, the Integrity of the photog is then at stake, a reputation can be long and hard to build ,yet easy and quick to destroy.



____________________
Back in Danmark

I do not use my equipment to make photo`s .. I take photo`s to use my equipment

The better I become at photography,the better my camera gets.
 




Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 14:15
 
215th Post
novicius



Joined: Sun Aug 12th, 2012
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 445
Status: 
Offline
jk wrote:
Nikon produced hardware and software to support authentication of digital images from their film and digital cameras so that digital images could be used in court as definitive images that had full authentication against tampering or editing.
I was n`t Aware of that, or are you referring to " watermarks" ?...which can be easily removed ?



____________________
Back in Danmark

I do not use my equipment to make photo`s .. I take photo`s to use my equipment

The better I become at photography,the better my camera gets.
 




Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 14:50
 
216th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4529
Status: 
Offline
jk wrote:
Nikon produced hardware and software to support authentication of digital images from their film and digital cameras so that digital images could be used in court as definitive images that had full authentication against tampering or editing.
Bye eck ….you know some stuff. :bowing:

Have Canon, Sony et al followed suit?



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Mon Mar 4th, 2024 20:33
 
217th Post
chrisbet



Joined: Thu Feb 7th, 2019
Location: Leigh On Sea, Essex , United Kingdom
Posts: 1500
Status: 
Offline
I don't know what the procedure is nowadays but when I was much younger working for HMC&E investigation we had to give witness statements preserving the chain of evidence for photos, so that meant everyone involved in the production of the photo including the processing!



____________________
If it is broken it was probably me ....
 




Posted: Tue Mar 5th, 2024 07:58
 
218th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4529
Status: 
Offline
I wonder if all these visitors to the forum that don’t say anything or stay, are baffled (or bored) by the protracted banter that seems to pervade our threads? (Mea culpa by the way.)

It’s like having a drink and natter with 5 or 6 mates down the pub, while the rest of the bar occupants look over our shoulders listen in. (Without the beer of course:needsahug:)



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Tue Mar 5th, 2024 11:28
 
219th Post
chrisbet



Joined: Thu Feb 7th, 2019
Location: Leigh On Sea, Essex , United Kingdom
Posts: 1500
Status: 
Offline
It’s like having a drink and natter with 5 or 6 mates down the pub,
Yes - that is exactly what most fora have become now and I don't see an issue with that, it is preferable to the mainstream chat places that are always shoving adverts or "suggestions" at you! :whip:



____________________
If it is broken it was probably me ....
 




Posted: Tue Mar 5th, 2024 14:26
 
220th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4529
Status: 
Offline
chrisbet wrote:
It’s like having a drink and natter with 5 or 6 mates down the pub,
Yes - that is exactly what most fora have become now and I don't see an issue with that, it is preferable to the mainstream chat places that are always shoving adverts or "suggestions" at you! :whip:

Absolutely. It’s just a shame people out there seem to prefer to tell the world what they had for lunch and where they are going at the weekend rather than share and learn something with more substance.



____________________
Eric
 

Reply
1st new
This is topic ID = 1861     Current time is 19:21 Page:  First Page Previous Page  ...  17  18  19  20  21  22  23  24  25  26  27  ...  Next Page Last Page    
Nikon DSLR Forums > The Image Processing and Editing Forums > Software for Image Processing > Using AI in photography Top

Users viewing this topic

Post quick reply

Go to top
Go to end
Messages
Home
Recent topics
Unread posts
Last posts
Splash

Current theme is Modern editor



A small amount of member data is captured and held in an attempt to reduce spammers and to manage users. This site also uses cookies to ensure ease of use. In order to comply with new DPR regulations you are required to agree/disagree with this process. If you do not agree then please email the Admins using info@nikondslr.uk Thank you.


Hosted by Octarine Services

UltraBB 1.173 Copyright © 2008-2025 Data 1 Systems
Page processed in 0.1064 seconds (80% database + 20% PHP). 87 queries executed.