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General discussion and graham's youtube film  Rating:  Rating
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Posted: Sun Jan 14th, 2024 09:37
 
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Chris I am looking into that I have seen a BIPP member posting info about AI in EXIF files but my 83 yr old brain did not quite take it all in! Perhaps Eric knows he is good at EXIF info?



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chrisbet wrote:
Does the use of AI show up in the EXIF data?
Never looked for that Chris, I'll have to have a look.

 




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I’ve not noticed it but will check again.

Periodically I found some of my images were stripped of exif data. Not sure if it’s the software used to edit…what or why.

If it is possible to remove the exif entirely from the file then it would hide any AI footprint anyway.



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Here’s an example….

Iain’s dog photo grabbed from screen shows exif data….



Click here to comment on this image.



But when I open that screen grab and replace the background, the resulting image has no exif???



Click here to comment on this image.

Yet if I take a screengrab of my own tiger image modify it slightly and resave…..it keeps its exif???



Click here to comment on this image.




What’s going on?o.O



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Graham Whistler wrote:
Chris I am looking into that I have seen a BIPP member posting info about AI in EXIF files but my 83 yr old brain did not quite take it all in! Perhaps Eric knows he is good at EXIF info?
I think what and how much you see depends on the software you use to examine the exif data.

I just don’t understand how some images can lose their exif data during processing? Or whether it’s still there but hidden, requiring more sophisticated software programs to reveal it?



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Much the same as I have seen, but info about the latest new AI states that you can find more info about the source of any material you use. I will look for more.



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If you click on the "Comment" link under the image, you go to a comment page - click on the image there and you get a larger image with an EXIF button - that gives this for the screengrab


FILE
FileName img_5873.jpeg
FileDateTime 1705234269
FileSize 2637455
FileType 2
MimeType image/jpeg
SectionsFound ANY_TAG, IFD0, EXIF
COMPUTED
html width="1940" height="1516"
Height 1516
Width 1940
IsColor 1
ByteOrderMotorola 1
IFD0
Orientation 1
XResolution 144/1
YResolution 144/1
ResolutionUnit 2
Exif_IFD_Pointer 90
EXIF
ColorSpace 1
ExifImageWidth 1940
ExifImageLength 1516



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The tiger image -
FILE
FileName img_5876.jpeg
FileDateTime 1705234569
FileSize 1916092
FileType 2
MimeType image/jpeg
SectionsFound ANY_TAG, IFD0, EXIF
COMPUTED
html width="1711" height="1668"
Height 1668
Width 1711
IsColor 1
ByteOrderMotorola 1
IFD0
Orientation 1
XResolution 144/1
YResolution 144/1
ResolutionUnit 2
Exif_IFD_Pointer 90
EXIF
ColorSpace 1
ExifImageWidth 1711
ExifImageLength 1668



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An ordinary image has more data -

FILE
FileName _dsc1899.jpg
FileDateTime 1705159697
FileSize 704828
FileType 2
MimeType image/jpeg
SectionsFound ANY_TAG, IFD0, THUMBNAIL, EXIF
COMPUTED
html width="2733" height="2044"
Height 2044
Width 2733
IsColor 1
ByteOrderMotorola 0
ApertureFNumber f/3.5
Thumbnail.FileType 2
Thumbnail.MimeType image/jpeg
IFD0
ImageWidth 2733
ImageLength 2044
BitsPerSample 8 8 8
PhotometricInterpretation 2
Make NIKON CORPORATION
Model NIKON D3
Orientation 1
SamplesPerPixel 3
XResolution 1500000/10000
YResolution 1500000/10000
ResolutionUnit 2
Software Adobe Photoshop CC (Windows)
DateTime 2017:09:23 10:48:46
Exif_IFD_Pointer 280
THUMBNAIL
Compression 6
XResolution 72/1
YResolution 72/1
ResolutionUnit 2
JPEGInterchangeFormat 926
JPEGInterchangeFormatLength 5507
EXIF
ExposureTime 1/640
FNumber 35/10
ExposureProgram 3
ISOSpeedRatings 1000
ExifVersion 0221
DateTimeOriginal 2011:09:02 13:30:20
DateTimeDigitized 2011:09:02 13:30:20
ShutterSpeedValue 9321928/1000000
ApertureValue 361471/100000
ExposureBiasValue 0/6
MaxApertureValue 30/10
MeteringMode 3
LightSource 0
Flash 0
FocalLength 700/10
SubSecTime 70
SubSecTimeOriginal 70
SubSecTimeDigitized 70
ColorSpace 65535
ExifImageWidth 2733
ExifImageLength 2044
SensingMethod 2
FileSource 
SceneType
CFAPattern 
CustomRendered 0
ExposureMode 0
WhiteBalance 0
DigitalZoomRatio 1/1
FocalLengthIn35mmFilm 70
SceneCaptureType 0
GainControl 2
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Sharpness 0
SubjectDistanceRange 0



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The File info in Photoshop gives even more lines of code which mentions the processing software.

This is the basic starting image metadata......opened but not adjusted through camera raw and untouched in Phshp.


<x:xmpmeta xmlns:x="adobe:ns:meta/" x:xmptk="Adobe XMP Core 9.1-c001 79.1462899777, 2023/06/25-23:57:14        ">
  <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
      <rdf:Description rdf:about=""
            xmlns:xmp="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/"
            xmlns:aux="http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/aux/"
            xmlns:photoshop="http://ns.adobe.com/photoshop/1.0/"
            xmlns:xmpMM="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/mm/"
            xmlns:stEvt="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/sType/ResourceEvent#"
            xmlns:stRef="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/sType/ResourceRef#"
            xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
            xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/"
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        <xmp:CreateDate>2011-09-02T10:59:59</xmp:CreateDate>
        <xmp:MetadataDate>2024-01-14T15:18:59Z</xmp:MetadataDate>
        <aux:SerialNumber>2010103</aux:SerialNumber>
        <aux:LensInfo>800/10 2000/10 28/10 28/10</aux:LensInfo>
        <aux:Lens>80.0-200.0 mm f/2.8</aux:Lens>
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        <aux:ImageNumber>21809</aux:ImageNumber>
        <aux:ApproximateFocusDistance>447/100</aux:ApproximateFocusDistance>
        <photoshop:DateCreated>2011-09-02T10:59:59.011</photoshop:DateCreated>
        <photoshop:ColorMode>3</photoshop:ColorMode>
        <photoshop:ICCProfile>Display P3</photoshop:ICCProfile>
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        <xmpMM:OriginalDocumentID>4E7AE49CB09E573634B4A68BFA25DB71</xmpMM:OriginalDocumentID>
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        <xmpMM:History>
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                  <stEvt:when>2024-01-08T15:44:17Z</stEvt:when>
                  <stEvt:softwareAgent>Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 16.1 (Macintosh)</stEvt:softwareAgent>
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
                  <stEvt:action>derived</stEvt:action>
                  <stEvt:parameters>converted from image/x-nikon-nef to image/tiff</stEvt:parameters>
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            <stRef:documentID>4E7AE49CB09E573634B4A68BFA25DB71</stRef:documentID>
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        <dc:format>image/tiff</dc:format>
        <crs:Version>16.1</crs:Version>
        <crs:ProcessVersion>15.4</crs:ProcessVersion>
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        <crs:HueAdjustmentGreen>0</crs:HueAdjustmentGreen>
        <crs:HueAdjustmentAqua>0</crs:HueAdjustmentAqua>
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        <crs:HueAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:HueAdjustmentPurple>
        <crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple>
        <crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta>
        <crs:SplitToningShadowHue>0</crs:SplitToningShadowHue>
        <crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation>0</crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation>
        <crs:SplitToningHighlightHue>0</crs:SplitToningHighlightHue>
        <crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation>0</crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation>
        <crs:SplitToningBalance>0</crs:SplitToningBalance>
        <crs:ColorGradeMidtoneHue>0</crs:ColorGradeMidtoneHue>
        <crs:ColorGradeMidtoneSat>0</crs:ColorGradeMidtoneSat>
        <crs:ColorGradeShadowLum>0</crs:ColorGradeShadowLum>
        <crs:ColorGradeMidtoneLum>0</crs:ColorGradeMidtoneLum>
        <crs:ColorGradeHighlightLum>0</crs:ColorGradeHighlightLum>
        <crs:ColorGradeBlending>50</crs:ColorGradeBlending>
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        <crs:ColorGradeGlobalSat>0</crs:ColorGradeGlobalSat>
        <crs:ColorGradeGlobalLum>0</crs:ColorGradeGlobalLum>
        <crs:AutoLateralCA>0</crs:AutoLateralCA>
        <crs:LensProfileEnable>0</crs:LensProfileEnable>
        <crs:LensManualDistortionAmount>0</crs:LensManualDistortionAmount>
        <crs:VignetteAmount>0</crs:VignetteAmount>
        <crs:DefringePurpleAmount>0</crs:DefringePurpleAmount>
        <crs:DefringePurpleHueLo>30</crs:DefringePurpleHueLo>
        <crs:DefringePurpleHueHi>70</crs:DefringePurpleHueHi>
        <crs:DefringeGreenAmount>0</crs:DefringeGreenAmount>
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        <crs:DefringeGreenHueHi>60</crs:DefringeGreenHueHi>
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              <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
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        <crs:Look rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
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            <crs:Group>
              <rdf:Alt>
                  <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Profiles</rdf:li>
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              <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Green>
                  <rdf:Seq>
                    <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
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              <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Blue>
                  <rdf:Seq>
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            <rdf:Seq>
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            <exif:Mode>0</exif:Mode>
            <exif:Function>False</exif:Function>
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        <exif:FocalLength>1120/10</exif:FocalLength>
        <exif:SensingMethod>2</exif:SensingMethod>
        <exif:FileSource>3</exif:FileSource>
        <exif:SceneType>1</exif:SceneType>
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        <exif:ExposureMode>0</exif:ExposureMode>
        <exif:WhiteBalance>0</exif:WhiteBalance>
        <exif:DigitalZoomRatio>1/1</exif:DigitalZoomRatio>
        <exif:FocalLengthIn35mmFilm>112</exif:FocalLengthIn35mmFilm>
        <exif:SceneCaptureType>0</exif:SceneCaptureType>
        <exif:GainControl>1</exif:GainControl>
        <exif:Contrast>0</exif:Contrast>
        <exif:Saturation>0</exif:Saturation>
        <exif:Sharpness>0</exif:Sharpness>
        <exif:SubjectDistanceRange>0</exif:SubjectDistanceRange>
        <exif:SubSecTime>11</exif:SubSecTime>
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        <exif:SubSecTimeDigitized>11</exif:SubSecTimeDigitized>
        <exif:SerialNumber>2010103</exif:SerialNumber>
        <exif:LensInfo>
            <rdf:Seq>
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        </exif:LensInfo>
        <exif:Lens>80.0-200.0 mm f/2.8</exif:Lens>
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</x:xmpmeta>




Although retrospective this is the same file info for the AId version...


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        <photoshop:DocumentAncestors>
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
                  <stEvt:action>converted</stEvt:action>
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
                  <stEvt:action>derived</stEvt:action>
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
                  <stEvt:action>saved</stEvt:action>
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
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              <rdf:li rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
                  <stEvt:action>derived</stEvt:action>
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        <crs:ParametricLights>0</crs:ParametricLights>
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        <crs:HueAdjustmentBlue>0</crs:HueAdjustmentBlue>
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        <crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>
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        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>
        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>
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        <crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>
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        <crs:ColorGradeGlobalLum>0</crs:ColorGradeGlobalLum>
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        <crs:DefringeGreenHueHi>60</crs:DefringeGreenHueHi>
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        <crs:GrainAmount>0</crs:GrainAmount>
        <crs:PostCropVignetteAmount>0</crs:PostCropVignetteAmount>
        <crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
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        <crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
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        <crs:ToneCurveName2012>Linear</crs:ToneCurveName2012>
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            <crs:UUID>B952C231111CD8E0ECCF14B86BAA7077</crs:UUID>
            <crs:SupportsAmount>false</crs:SupportsAmount>
            <crs:SupportsMonochrome>false</crs:SupportsMonochrome>
            <crs:SupportsOutputReferred>false</crs:SupportsOutputReferred>
            <crs:Copyright>© 2018 Adobe Systems, Inc.</crs:Copyright>
            <crs:Group>
              <rdf:Alt>
                  <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Profiles</rdf:li>
              </rdf:Alt>
            </crs:Group>
            <crs:Parameters rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
              <crs:Version>16.1</crs:Version>
              <crs:ProcessVersion>15.4</crs:ProcessVersion>
              <crs:ConvertToGrayscale>False</crs:ConvertToGrayscale>
              <crs:CameraProfile>Adobe Standard</crs:CameraProfile>
              <crs:LookTable>E1095149FDB39D7A057BAB208837E2E1</crs:LookTable>
              <crs:ToneCurvePV2012>
                  <rdf:Seq>
                    <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>22, 16</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>40, 35</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>127, 127</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>224, 230</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>240, 246</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
                  </rdf:Seq>
              </crs:ToneCurvePV2012>
              <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Red>
                  <rdf:Seq>
                    <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
                  </rdf:Seq>
              </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Red>
              <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Green>
                  <rdf:Seq>
                    <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
                  </rdf:Seq>
              </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Green>
              <crs:ToneCurvePV2012Blue>
                  <rdf:Seq>
                    <rdf:li>0, 0</rdf:li>
                    <rdf:li>255, 255</rdf:li>
                  </rdf:Seq>
              </crs:ToneCurvePV2012Blue>
            </crs:Parameters>
        </crs:Look>
        <tiff:ImageWidth>1181</tiff:ImageWidth>
        <tiff:ImageLength>1459</tiff:ImageLength>
        <tiff:BitsPerSample>
            <rdf:Seq>
              <rdf:li>8</rdf:li>
              <rdf:li>8</rdf:li>
              <rdf:li>8</rdf:li>
            </rdf:Seq>
        </tiff:BitsPerSample>
        <tiff:PhotometricInterpretation>2</tiff:PhotometricInterpretation>
        <tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
        <tiff:SamplesPerPixel>3</tiff:SamplesPerPixel>
        <tiff:XResolution>3000000/10000</tiff:XResolution>
        <tiff:YResolution>3000000/10000</tiff:YResolution>
        <tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
        <tiff:Make>NIKON CORPORATION</tiff:Make>
        <tiff:Model>NIKON D3</tiff:Model>
        <exif:ExifVersion>0231</exif:ExifVersion>
        <exif:ColorSpace>65535</exif:ColorSpace>
        <exif:PixelXDimension>1181</exif:PixelXDimension>
        <exif:PixelYDimension>1459</exif:PixelYDimension>
        <exif:DateTimeOriginal>2011-09-02T10:59:59</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
        <exif:ExposureTime>1/500</exif:ExposureTime>
        <exif:FNumber>5/1</exif:FNumber>
        <exif:ExposureProgram>3</exif:ExposureProgram>
        <exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
            <rdf:Seq>
              <rdf:li>400</rdf:li>
            </rdf:Seq>
        </exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
        <exif:ShutterSpeedValue>8965784/1000000</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
        <exif:ApertureValue>4643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
        <exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/6</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
        <exif:MaxApertureValue>30/10</exif:MaxApertureValue>
        <exif:MeteringMode>3</exif:MeteringMode>
        <exif:LightSource>0</exif:LightSource>
        <exif:Flash rdf:pa**eType="Resource">
            <exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
            <exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
            <exif:Mode>0</exif:Mode>
            <exif:Function>False</exif:Function>
            <exif:RedEyeMode>False</exif:RedEyeMode>
        </exif:Flash>
        <exif:FocalLength>1120/10</exif:FocalLength>
        <exif:SensingMethod>2</exif:SensingMethod>
        <exif:FileSource>3</exif:FileSource>
        <exif:SceneType>1</exif:SceneType>
        <exif:CustomRendered>0</exif:CustomRendered>
        <exif:ExposureMode>0</exif:ExposureMode>
        <exif:WhiteBalance>0</exif:WhiteBalance>
        <exif:DigitalZoomRatio>1/1</exif:DigitalZoomRatio>
        <exif:FocalLengthIn35mmFilm>112</exif:FocalLengthIn35mmFilm>
        <exif:SceneCaptureType>0</exif:SceneCaptureType>
        <exif:GainControl>1</exif:GainControl>
        <exif:Contrast>0</exif:Contrast>
        <exif:Saturation>0</exif:Saturation>
        <exif:Sharpness>0</exif:Sharpness>
        <exif:SubjectDistanceRange>0</exif:SubjectDistanceRange>
        <exif:SubSecTime>11</exif:SubSecTime>
        <exif:SubSecTimeOriginal>11</exif:SubSecTimeOriginal>
        <exif:SubSecTimeDigitized>11</exif:SubSecTimeDigitized>
        <exif:SerialNumber>2010103</exif:SerialNumber>
        <exif:LensInfo>
            <rdf:Seq>
              <rdf:li>800/10</rdf:li>
            </rdf:Seq>
        </exif:LensInfo>
        <exif:Lens>80.0-200.0 mm f/2.8</exif:Lens>
      </rdf:Description>
  </rdf:RDF>
</x:xmpmeta>


I don't know if its possible to 'compare' these two sets of code OR whether they actually tell what's been done as opposed to basic software settings???



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