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| Posted: Sat May 5th, 2012 00:26 |
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richw
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I'm not sure that the full version of PS is ever going to work as a volume product though. To a degree this is what they have done with Elements.
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| Posted: Thu May 10th, 2012 23:07 |
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KirkP
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Robert wrote: Thanks Dave, so that really just makes it a variation of the current verification process. Sod all to do with 'Cloud' computing, which Adobe bill it as, another con. Agreed, sod all cons. First I have to jump through multiple hoops with Photoshop CS5, because of software piracy, and Adobe now treats all it's end users as potential pirates. Now, mark my words, I'll bet you that CS7 will require a check with Adobe servers before you are allowed access to your own files. I know for a fact that Adobe apps attempt to connect to the internet since CS4 (maybe earlier) because my firewall started to report the attempts. I'd begun to teach myself Gimp with a Photoshop-like interface several years ago, and with the release of CS6 and Cloud crap, I'll not be sending Adobe my credit card for this new version. It's not my fault their lousy upgrades from CS2 to CS5 never delivered on their overhyped new abilities and consequently their stock price plummeted. It's also not my fault that they have to divide their development teams into so many for Photoshop, so many for Illustrator, and so on, thereby allowing a mass release of ALL Creative Suite components at the same instant in time. These are business decisions made by Adobe, not me, and I do not consider their stock price to be my problem. We all know this means that once Adobe has trained the graphic arts industry into paying every year for their subscription, subscription will be the only method to upgrade to future major releases, regardless of how many actual upgrades or updates are released. Sure, Adobe is on top. But, like Robert and Tom, Adobe won't get another dime from me, I cannot justify a tiny business with a major business expense. I'm going back to hobby photography, and when I do buy a new camera, it will be used only with the Gimp. It is not my policy to support business models that were designed with the 1990s in mind, then found to be faulty. I've read several articles on the internet over the past few hours stating that Adobe's stock price varies with each major upgrade of the Creative Suite release, since CS1. I don't wish them ill, but I sure predict that their stock price will be taking a hit in 2012. I'm so very glad I paid for an actual disc of every version of Photoshop I ever bought, including the 64 bit version of CS5. In ten years, I'll still be able to work on my D200 files, including PSD files I save during edits, and Adobe STILL cannot charge me for that privilege in 2022. So long Adobe, it was all good and fun while it lasted. Clearly, you intend for your end users to pay for upgrades that do nothing, while promising everything. I'll start donating to open source software that promises little but delivers far more than nothing. If ya'll can't tell, I'm a bit angry at the news. Sorry if I broke any rules on the new forum, feel free to delete this. Sure, I could buy an upgrade disc... but that only delays the inevitable.
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| Posted: Fri May 11th, 2012 02:35 |
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Robert
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Well at least you got it off your chest Kirk. I think since you didn't use any asterisks* you will be fine. It was polite and not inflammatory. Adobe have been using the call home for the Cs suit since at least Cs2 according to Little Snitch. I haven't studied the relative costs but to my mind the 'Cloud' model will only be beneficial to the user if it's used as a way of only using the software for short periods for specific projects. Otherwise you may be suffering a premium for rental and not coming up with the cash 'up front' as you do with a purchase. In my case I have hardly used Cs5 for best part of a year. Had I been paying rental during that time I would need certifying. But because it's bought and paid for it simply sits and waits for me at no additional cost. I see no need to upgrade to Cs6, Cs5 does all I need and more. I do however wonder what would (will?) happen if (when?) Adobe goes under. What will happen to the authorisation process if the Adobe servers are turned off... Those who have paid for the licence should be able to continue using the software they have paid for no matter what happens to Adobe. Size is no insulator from collapse. Look at Kodak. A bad business model has only one end. After all, anyone fortunate enough to own a DeLorian car can still use it despite DeLorian (DMC) having gone bust years ago. That might not be the case with the Adobe Cs software. To me, that is a greater concern. *While checking the spelling of asterisk I have discovered the likely reason why it's so-called... It resembles an aster (daisy) flower which derives from the greek for small star (ie. asteroid). I often wondered.
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| Posted: Fri May 11th, 2012 06:07 |
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jk
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One thing that has worried me from day one with CS2 and Activation. What happens if Adobe decide that Activation is not for them any more. They pull the plug on their activation servers and then the old software cant be installed or work any more!!! Because over time everyone will change hardware they think that they need to treat us all as pirates. Well since I have the know how to do it all my internet outbound activity is controlled so there are no Adobe signals going out and the need for activation is also 'aahem!' controlled. As soon as I can get GIMP working well for me then I will stop using Adobe Photoshop. That means I need to convert all my Actions unfortunately and I also need to learn GIMP. Neither are insurmountable but just extra pain in the move.
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| Posted: Fri May 11th, 2012 15:14 |
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KirkP
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Adobe really screwed the pooch with this whole idea. For pros, this makes no sense, unless you're buying the entire CS suite of products. For Photoshop CS6 alone, it's $20 US for a US IP address (not sure what it costs in the UK) and updates are free til the next version, CS7. $240 a year for the Cloud, two years is $480. Upgrade from CS5 is $199, again not entire sure how much more UK upgrade price is, but if past comments on the old forum are any indication, UK or Spanish prices will be 20% more. And if you upgrade normally, from CS3, 4 or 5, you still get the x.5 update like they did with CS5.5, for free. I'm not seeing any benefit for anyone, except Adobe. $200 vs almost $500 ?????? And that assumes they release CS7 at two years from now, which was stated as the new product cycle when CS5 came out. I have no confidence that will remain at two years. Lastly, a new issue just popped up today, two critical vulnerabilities in Photoshop CS5.5, along with vulnerabilities in Illustrator and Flash Pro. Adobe won't be issuing a bug fix for CS5.5, you have to pay for the upgrade to CS6. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9227099/Adobe_Pay_upgrade_price_to_patch_critical_bugs http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/photoshop-illustrator-users-must-pay-for-critical-security-updates/12113 Ok, so maybe Photoshop isn't the first choice of hackers trying to access your computer, but if it exists, and you have to pay for an upgrade, it stands to reason there will be people who won't pay, and thus remain vulnerable. Therefore, someone will figure out how to exploit these vulnerabilities. Thanks, Adobe, for confirming my already low opinion of your business acumen (greed).
____________________ When you were born, you cried and the whole world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, the whole world cries and you rejoice. |
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| Posted: Sat May 12th, 2012 07:46 |
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richw
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You're pricing only works if you're only interested in Photoshop - and then the cloud option does not make sense - just buy a photoshop license - or don't no one is forcing you. I actually believe they have the right to price it however they wish, if they get it wrong people will vote with their feet and the business will go under. The argument that it should be cheaper and thereby sell more volume and suffer less piracy has merit, but it is their business to manage and if they get it wrong it is their shareholders that will pay the price. They do employ a lot of people and their EBIT is not excessive - if you want to talk greed there are far more deserving targets out there (Wall Street anyone?) For me, I am paying $32 per month and for that I get all shown below, I currently use 2 of them every week, and 3 others fairly often. I look forward to learning how to use some of the others. Attachment: Adobe Programs.jpg (Downloaded 10 times)
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| Posted: Sat May 12th, 2012 13:20 |
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KirkP
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And that's fine, Rich, if it works for you. I agree, Adobe is not forcing me to upgrade, but I do believe they will force me into the Cloud model with the next version upgrade to CS7, it just makes sense that this is where they are headed. And that isn't my cup of tea. Actually, I had little problem paying $200 to upgrade for the past three versions of CS3, CS4 and CS5. My wife wasn't too happy at the cost, but I pointed out that I made much more money than $200 from real estate photos, per year. A tool is worth what you use it for, not what you pay for it... and Photoshop is very definitely the best tool. But I also prefer not to be treated like a thief, and I prefer not to support a business model that costs me MORE money while not giving me something in return. You got the entire suite, and I envy you somewhat for the power it places in your hands. Even more important, I envy you the fun of doing MORE fun stuff ! Adobe makes very good tools, and certainly, Photoshop is the gold standard for pro photographers. I just don't see this Cloud solution as a good idea for their bottom line, even though I acknowledge that they know far more about it than I do, and most likely they WILL end up making more money. If I were a full-on pro photographer, the whole suite might make more sense, video is becoming very important in real estate. I might even end up eating my words, if Adobe continues to allow people to upgrade the simple way to new versions of Photoshop. I'm still a bit peeved about them refusing to issue a fix for these new exploit possibilities, but that's not really related to the Cloud model. Cloud computing has a place in the world, certainly, with collaboration between multiple authors or content creators. So far, I have not seen this being promoted as such, by Adobe. In ten years, who knows? Maybe by that point, Adobe will have integrated the entire CS suite into a single 50GB (installed) application. All I do is still photography, though I may dabble in video with a new camera, it'll be as a complete amateur. As for greed... sure, Wall Street and bankers worldwide are far better targets of contempt. But, I don't actually have much to do with them, excepting the fallout of their fraudulent practices. Had Adobe decided to charge $5 a month for Photoshop alone, on a discount for upgrading from a previous version and a two year prepaid subscription, it would cost $120, and I could see millions of hobbyist Photoshop users joining up, saving 80 bucks. But that's a pipe dream, at this point. Adobe has the right to price their products any way they want to, I agree. My question is, why price the Cloud version to cost $480 over two years, vs the $200 a simple upgrade would cost? There must be very few people like me, who use only Photoshop, and none of the other pro apps in the Creative Suite. Conversely, there must be a LOT of people like you, who want access to the whole shebang, and Adobe is obviously aware of it. I think their decisions will cost them money and users of Photoshop alone, but quite possibly they'll make that money back, and garner more users, with the whole Suite users. Looking back, I was pretty unhappy with a couple of the version changes that Adobe made, where they didn't deliver on the promises and the hype they generated. Still, I wanted a couple of new features, and just resigned myself to the reality of software marketing. I don't fault you one bit for signing up for the Cloud model, it does make sense if you use several parts of the Creative Suite. I just posted in another thread, I may actually go ahead and buy the upgrade to CS6, since Gimp is free, but I sure am going to continue to teach myself Gimp, in preparation for the future world of Adobe upgrades that I believe will be forced on their users. Paying $480 for Photoshop alone, with dubious promises of updates, fixes and new tools, more than double the cost of the normal upgrade? Not likely.
____________________ When you were born, you cried and the whole world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, the whole world cries and you rejoice. |
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