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Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2019 11:11
 
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Yes that is the D500 achilles heel.  It seems more noisy under similar conditions when compared with D850 and even D600.

Cant afford a Z6 without a thin down of my other Nikon bodies which I am very happy with.  But in truth I would rather go for a second Z7 but I dont need it.



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It shows how things have moved on over the last few years , what we now class as bad noise would have been considered more than acceptable 5 or 6 years ago .. the latest advent of full frame mega pixel sensors have really changed the ball park ,hopefully the resolving power of the lenses will keep up with it .. and that's another reason I'm considering changing lenses I'm searching for that enigmatic “look/feel “ just getting a sharp image is no longer the goal

 




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blackfox wrote:
It shows how things have moved on over the last few years , what we now class as bad noise would have been considered more than acceptable 5 or 6 years ago .. the latest advent of full frame mega pixel sensors have really changed the ball park ,hopefully the resolving power of the lenses will keep up with it .. and that's another reason I'm considering changing lenses I'm searching for that enigmatic “look/feel “ just getting a sharp image is no longer the goal
I wonder if the sharpness of modern lenses is in fact emphasising noise? You may find using a 'softer' older lens loses some of the noise issues?

In truth it's never JUST been about getting a pin sharp full frame image of a bird. The traditional 1/3 bird 2/3 habitat arguably gives a more pleasing photograph when compared to the full frame technical record shot. Or maybe that's an excuse for not having a long enough lens. 😆



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jk wrote:
Yes that is the D500 achilles heel.  It seems more noisy under similar conditions when compared with D850 and even D600.

Cant afford a Z6 without a thin down of my other Nikon bodies which I am very happy with.  But in truth I would rather go for a second Z7 but I dont need it.

I thought you were the advocate of the 25mp sweet spot ? „



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Eric wrote:
I thought you were the advocate of the 25mp sweet spot ? „
Yes, but actually the 45MP does give me headroom.



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Yes, but actually the 45MP does give me headroom.
Do you find your D850 underexposes by half a stop on matrix metering?
My histos all need to be lifted to get the white end right. It's as if Nikon, knowing you can recover shadows so well on this sensor, have been overcautious in protecting the top end. I've ended up dialing in +0.3 and still not stacking up the right side of the histo.  

Lovely camera to use though....probably best since my D3.

I haven't seen the disadvantage over the D500 for birding you mention. But haven't used it much for that purpose yet. I've tended to use the D500 for its DX factor but noticed the noise level creeping in at quite low iso on it.



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Eric wrote:
Do you find your D850 underexposes by half a stop on matrix metering?
My histos all need to be lifted to get the white end right. It's as if Nikon, knowing you can recover shadows so well on this sensor, have been overcautious in protecting the top end. I've ended up dialing in +0.3 and still not stacking up the right side of the histo.  

Lovely camera to use though....probably best since my D3.

I haven't seen the disadvantage over the D500 for birding you mention. But haven't used it much for that purpose yet. I've tended to use the D500 for its DX factor but noticed the noise level creeping in at quite low iso on it.

I tend to use EV compensation of -0.3 and -0.7 (bright sunny) in Spain, in UK it is 0 and -0.3EV  for shooting.  With the D850 this tends to be more at 0 but I also tend to use an S curve in my post processing. But yes it tends to be a little underexposed in the highlights. I use CaptureOnePro for my images these days.

There is a lot of talk about camera calibration using software that allows you to put a curve into the camera but I have never followed this up.



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To me the D850 feels comfortable in my hands but found the Z7 too small when I looked at it at the dealers.

Besides it his missing a GPS and fully articulating LCD that the D5300 has.

To top it off it has less social media capabilities than a $200 smartphone.:'(



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