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Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 09:45
 
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I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.


Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.
Not that much if you use the 'grey' route.


Doesn't the grey route apply equally for both cameras?

I suspect the extra trade in on the d850 reflects the concern that when fully stocked, the Z7 will start to steal significantly from D850 sales. Nikon may have shot themselves in the D850 foot. :thumbsdown:
1DX2 =£3430, D850= £2220 at Panamoz. Not sure if you guys like the 'Grey' way, if you don't I apologise.

 




Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 11:18
 
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Red Dexs wrote:
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I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.


Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.
Not that much if you use the 'grey' route.


Doesn't the grey route apply equally for both cameras?

I suspect the extra trade in on the d850 reflects the concern that when fully stocked, the Z7 will start to steal significantly from D850 sales. Nikon may have shot themselves in the D850 foot. :thumbsdown:
1DX2 =£3430, D850= £2220 at Panamoz. Not sure if you guys like the 'Grey' way, if you don't I apologise.


Call me old fashioned. I like to buy from a shop where I can walk in and bang the counter if something goes wrong.

A third floor attic room/ office over a cafe in Brighton isn't my idea of comfortable...

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Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2018 11:24
 
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Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:
Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:
Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:
I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.


Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.
Not that much if you use the 'grey' route.


Doesn't the grey route apply equally for both cameras?

I suspect the extra trade in on the d850 reflects the concern that when fully stocked, the Z7 will start to steal significantly from D850 sales. Nikon may have shot themselves in the D850 foot. :thumbsdown:
1DX2 =£3430, D850= £2220 at Panamoz. Not sure if you guys like the 'Grey' way, if you don't I apologise.


Call me old fashioned. I like to buy from a shop where I can walk in and bang the counter if something goes wrong.

A second floor room/ office over a cafe in Brighton isn't my idea of comfortable...
Each to their own. I have used Panamoz for quite a while and had no issues what so ever. One camera went wrong after almost two years and it was sorted without any fuss.

 




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It is all about getting what youwant and risk management.
Different strategies for different people.



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jk wrote:
It is all about getting what youwant and risk management.
Different strategies for different people.


We all like a bargain. But at the same time we bemoan the lack of camera shops to enable us to evaluate equipment before purchasing.

Business rates and property rents have already put the independents out of business, as has internet shopping. So the choice of showrooms is now limited. This is true of most retail areas not just photography.

The phrase 'use it or lose it' couldn't ring more true.

There is no EU import tax on digital cameras ( not so lenses) so the grey importers are essentially avoiding paying the UKs 20% VAT.

When eventually everything we buy comes from China or its territories by these sort of deals, the exchequer will have no alternative but to increase income tax.

So it's not just about risk assessment around warranty concerns.



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Eric wrote: jk wrote:
It is all about getting what youwant and risk management.
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So it's not just about risk assessment around warranty concerns.

o.O
It was the warranty issue I was alluding to with respect to risk management. I buy from FixationUK.  I get some discount but not huge.  That said FixationUK is part of WEX I think.



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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2018 13:31
 
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It is all about getting what youwant and risk management.
Different strategies for different people.



So it's not just about risk assessment around warranty concerns.

o.O
It was the warranty issue I was alluding to with respect to risk management. I buy from FixationUK.  I get some discount but not huge.  That said FixationUK is part of WEX I think.


Fixation U.K. are listed as a private company. But their registered office is the same as WEX in Norwich!

WEX and Calumet are now owned by Aurelius Equity Opportunities. So not sure how Fixation fit in as a supposed 'private company'?



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jk wrote: amazing50 wrote:
I tested TC's with a Tamron 150-600 mm a while ago and found that a comparable crop was better than a full frame shot with a TC. For birding and nature work I use a Nikon D5300 which has 25mp and no aliasing filters for 225-900mm eq. As a bonus it has a built in GPS, unlike the D850 which requires a dangle.

Dangle ?? :lol:


That answers the question that Eric has been asking for a while.
DX using ccd derived x1.5 is better than FX with TCx1.4.
:-)

Logically 20-24MP DX is equivalent to 40-45MP FX. But there is a potential difference due to S/N on smaller photosites.
I am fairly convinced that shooting with a DX camera and no tele-converter will produce a technically better image than shooting the same scene with an FX camera and the same lens with a tele-converter. However, I don't know whether the difference is noticeable at normal viewing distances.

Additionally, if one is limited to either DX or FX my preference would be for an FX body over a DX simply because of the greater range of high-end lenses available for FX. There being only one f2.8 "standard" zoom in the Nikon range designed for DX. Given that my choice is FX that would rather necessitate the use of a converter to achieve the same angle of view. My Nikon TC17 11 was markedly cheaper than a D500 body and the amount of use it gets suggests that the latter would have been a waste of money. Others will have a different view based on their circumstances.

 

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