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Posted: Sat Nov 10th, 2018 02:33
 
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Having decided on my camera (D850) I now need to concentrate on a decent lens for my bird shots, does the  Nikon 200-500 work well with a 1.4 TC? Thank you.

 




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Red Dexs wrote:
Having decided on my camera (D850) I now need to concentrate on a decent lens for my bird shots, does the  Nikon 200-500 work well with a 1.4 TC? Thank you.


Jonathan is probably the best person to answer performance of that specific combination. But generally, zoom lenses, no matter how good or expensive they are, rarely perform well with a TC. There are just too many glass layers in between subject and sensor for perfect IQ. I would also add that to maximise the undoubted quality of the D850 you need to ensure best practise and technique. I believe it would be difficult to achieve its full potential with that lens and a TC.

The new Nikon 1.4x TC is excellent and there is no quality loss when using on my 300mm PF prime lens. Graham reports that the new 500mm PF is perfect with this TC. HOWEVER....remember you lose around 1stop exposure with the TC fitted. That means a maximum aperture of f8 for your choice.

You might want to consider the Sigma 150-600 that Iain uses so admirably (look at his images on the bird photography thread).



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I havent tried the D850 with TXx1.4 (I dont one) and my Kenko TXx2.0 is in Spain, but the 200-500 is here.

For me when I am taking bird photos I prefer the D500 as the AF focus points cover the whole viewfinder compared to the D850. So the D500 tracks better and gives me more sharp images.

The D850 extra resolution will allow you to crop directly much more easily and get the same as I get with a D500 and Nikon 200-500.

I have to say that with the rebates in USA this week (and Black Friday savings also) on the 200-500 you should go and get one now.   However I dont know the pricing for you in Greece.

Maybe I need to look at the Nikon TCx1.4



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I tested TC's with a Tamron 150-600 mm a while ago and found that a comparable crop was better than a full frame shot with a TC. For birding and nature work I use a Nikon D5300 which has 25mp and no aliasing filters for 225-900mm eq. As a bonus it has a built in GPS, unlike the D850 which requires a dangle.

Dangle ?? :lol:



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amazing50 wrote:
I tested TC's with a Tamron 150-600 mm a while ago and found that a comparable crop was better than a full frame shot with a TC. For birding and nature work I use a Nikon D5300 which has 25mp and no aliasing filters for 225-900mm eq. As a bonus it has a built in GPS, unlike the D850 which requires a dangle.

Dangle ?? :lol:


That answers the question that Eric has been asking for a while.
DX using ccd derived x1.5 is better than FX with TCx1.4.
:-)

Logically 20-24MP DX is equivalent to 40-45MP FX. But there is a potential difference due to S/N on smaller photosites.



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I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.

 




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jk wrote:
amazing50 wrote:
I tested TC's with a Tamron 150-600 mm a while ago and found that a comparable crop was better than a full frame shot with a TC. For birding and nature work I use a Nikon D5300 which has 25mp and no aliasing filters for 225-900mm eq. As a bonus it has a built in GPS, unlike the D850 which requires a dangle.

Dangle ?? :lol:


That answers the question that Eric has been asking for a while.
DX using ccd derived x1.5 is better than FX with TCx1.4.
:-)




Errr....not sure I read it like that.

I thought 'full frame shot with a TC' in this context meant cropping an image from the D5300 and 150-600 without the TC was better than using the TC with that same combo to get a full frame image of same subject?
Which supports my belief that overall, zooms and TCs don't mix.

Although Graham says the latest Nikon 1.4 combines well (with only a little detail loss) with the 80-400

Graham is also pretty convinced that DX size cropped (in computer) images from the D850 are better than straight images from the D500....primarily because of noise levels. At least, thats what I believe he said.


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Red Dexs wrote:
I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.


Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.



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Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:
I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.


Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.
Not that much if you use the 'grey' route.

 




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Red Dexs wrote:
Eric wrote: Red Dexs wrote:
I'm not after another crop as I now intend keeping my 7D2 which is an excellent camera. I want a FF hence my choice of the 850, however I used a 1DX2 yesterday and was amazed by it. I buy all my equipment in the UK, normally in Dec when I go back to see the wife.


Slight difference in price between D850 and IDX2...and at the moment Nikon are giving an extra £450 trade in on top of your cameras px value for the D850.
Not that much if you use the 'grey' route.


Doesn't the grey route apply equally for both cameras?

I suspect the extra trade in on the d850 reflects the concern that when fully stocked, the Z7 will start to steal significantly from D850 sales. Nikon may have shot themselves in the D850 foot. :thumbsdown:



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