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Posted: Sun Aug 28th, 2016 05:47
 
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This is for Eric.
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/08/27/nikkor-200-500mm-f5-6e-vs-nikkpr-300mm-f4e-pf-a-review-and-comparison.aspx/


Interesting appraisal, which has crystallised my thinking.


What crystals do you have?  200-500 size or 300 size ;-)



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Eric wrote: jk wrote:
This is for Eric.
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/08/27/nikkor-200-500mm-f5-6e-vs-nikkpr-300mm-f4e-pf-a-review-and-comparison.aspx/


Interesting appraisal, which has crystallised my thinking.


What crystals do you have?  200-500 size or 300 size ;-)



Agreed, Eric is being naughty, tantalising! LOL

Does the 70-300mm f4.5 - 5.6 VR come into this equation? Or it the relatively slow, long end TOO slow @ 5.6. Also, perhaps not sufficient IQ to compete with the 300mm f4?

http://www.bythom.com/70300VRlens.htm

The way I see it is if you have a 300 and a half decent DX body, then that gives you the equivalent of a 450 (almost 500) on FX, which for most purposes is as long as you want to go hand held without a heavy tripod and a lot of preparation. While at the same time the 70-300 on FX gives a useful range without the bulk of the 80-200 f2.8 for less demanding situations.

The trend towards better high ISO has the by product of making slower lenses more versatile. The biggest issue remaining seems to me to be the poor bokeh from these slower zooms but that can usually be dealt with in post process.



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From the article it seems that for fastest AF of the two then the 300mm seems faster but for reach the 200-500mm works better but the IQ from both is great.



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Robert wrote:
jk wrote:
Eric wrote: jk wrote:
This is for Eric.
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/08/27/nikkor-200-500mm-f5-6e-vs-nikkpr-300mm-f4e-pf-a-review-and-comparison.aspx/


Interesting appraisal, which has crystallised my thinking.


What crystals do you have?  200-500 size or 300 size ;-)





Agreed, Eric is being naughty, tantalising! LOL

Does the 70-300mm f4.5 - 5.6 VR come into this equation? Or it the relatively slow, long end TOO slow @ 5.6. Also, perhaps not sufficient IQ to compete with the 300mm f4?

http://www.bythom.com/70300VRlens.htm

The way I see it is if you have a 300 and a half decent DX body, then that gives you the equivalent of a 450 (almost 500) on FX, which for most purposes is as long as you want to go hand held without a heavy tripod and a lot of preparation. While at the same time the 70-300 on FX gives a useful range without the bulk of the 80-200 f2.8 for less demanding situations.

The trend towards better high ISO has the by product of making slower lenses more versatile. The biggest issue remaining seems to me to be the poor bokeh from these slower zooms but that can usually be dealt with in post process.




:lol:

I decided neither....for the moment.

I can achieve 400mm with the Fuji system and I want to make a decision on this system...once and for all. So I am leaving Nikon at home on my next trip.

Incidentally I already have the 70-300 (which is a very competent little lens by the way), but no DX camera.



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Incidentally I already have the 70-300 (which is a very competent little lens by the way).

Do you use it instead of the 80-200 f2.8 in less demanding circumstances?

I have the 18-35, 24-120 and the 80-200 f2.8, I feel that 200mm is a bit short on FX. The three lenses together would give me good coverage with useful overlap. AND effectively 450mm on DX if I need it, without the expense and bulk of a 500mm lens.



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Incidentally I already have the 70-300 (which is a very competent little lens by the way).

Do you use it instead of the 80-200 f2.8 in less demanding circumstances?

I have the 18-35, 24-120 and the 80-200 f2.8, I feel that 200mm is a bit short on FX. The three lenses together would give me good coverage with useful overlap. AND effectively 450mm on DX if I need it, without the expense and bulk of a 500mm lens.


Haven't used it since I got rid of the D7000.

You are welcome to borrow it and do your own evaluation.



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I have a 70-300 f4.5-5.6 AFS G VR and I use it on holiday. It is an excellent lens.



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I agree it's produces top quality results sorry I let mine go when I got the 80-400mm AF-S.This from my S African trip with D3X.

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jk wrote:
I have a 70-300 f4.5-5.6 AFS G VR and I use it on holiday. It is an excellent lens.

Agreed. It's a useful lens but I wouldn't add a teleconverter to it! Works well on DX to give 450mm though.

The whole question of which lenses to take with you on holiday is a nightmare...it's worse than selecting clothes. :lol:

I am coming to the conclusion that 300mm is as big as you ever need to carry around. And establishing the lightest package to achieve (say) 18-300 with acceptable quality is my current goal.

I could imagine an 18-105 with the 70-300 and a D500 might fit the bill, with the added advantage that the D500 would couple with longer, perhaps better, lenses on specific excursions. I only have the 70-300 of that trio.

However the Fuji X system in my bag, covers 18-400. I just need to finally decide if that system is 'right' for me....watch this space.



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:lol: You need the Fuji 14mm, it is brilliant for IR as well as normal landscapes.

I'm in a similar position to you regarding lens selection but I have the Fuji v Nikon FX/DX dilemna.



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