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Posted: Fri Jan 11th, 2019 12:05
 
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I agree Eric and Jeff. Sometimes we overwork/overthink the problem or image.
It was one of the reasons why I posted my HDR image off the trees around the stream and also a straight image. Yes the HDR image has a little more shadow detail but when you consider that I could have produced the same result with a quick curves change then it does question why overekaborate by taking 5 images @50MB/image then blend them together and output when one correctly exposed image with a small curves tweak will produce the same output.


For sunset/sunrise it's the only way to avoid blown out and grossly under exposed parts in the same image. It also avoids having to push and pull the extremes of the exposure values. While it can be done, I have heard this argument before, I believe that contributes to the lack of image quality, resulting in disappointment with the final image.

With a 24Mp DX camera or the equivalent FX, you have to enlarge the image far beyond normal needs to even see the noise in most cases.

I have been bracketing all the images I have taken of my fathers slides, I don't always use all of each set, and sometimes the median exposure is all I need, but it costs nothing, digital film is free, even at 36Mp, once I have the images I want, the originals will be consigned to the digital bin, I will just keep one TIFF from which I can make as many JPEGS as I wish, at whatever size.

The slides I am copying are very variable, from almost back to the very faintest image, very over exposed. With one exception I have been able to salvage all of what I believe were my fathers rejects. I am about to move on to his 'keepers' which he used to use to do slide shows.

The D800 produces very malleable images which are a joy to work with. Once processed they are producing some lovely pictures. Extracting usable images from wrongly exposed transparencies is a challenge I haven't been able to meet until the D800 and it does it beautifully, my only wish is that he could have seen the advances in photography since the mid 1960's when he made these slides.



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Robert wrote:
jk wrote:
I agree Eric and Jeff. Sometimes we overwork/overthink the problem or image.
It was one of the reasons why I posted my HDR image off the trees around the stream and also a straight image. Yes the HDR image has a little more shadow detail but when you consider that I could have produced the same result with a quick curves change then it does question why overekaborate by taking 5 images @50MB/image then blend them together and output when one correctly exposed image with a small curves tweak will produce the same output.


For sunset/sunrise it's the only way to avoid blown out and grossly under exposed parts in the same image. It also avoids having to push and pull the extremes of the exposure values. While it can be done, I have heard this argument before, I believe that contributes to the lack of image quality, resulting in disappointment with the final image.

With a 24Mp DX camera or the equivalent FX, you have to enlarge the image far beyond normal needs to even see the noise in most cases.

I have been bracketing all the images I have taken of my fathers slides, I don't always use all of each set, and sometimes the median exposure is all I need, but it costs nothing, digital film is free, even at 36Mp, once I have the images I want, the originals will be consigned to the digital bin, I will just keep one TIFF from which I can make as many JPEGS as I wish, at whatever size.

The slides I am copying are very variable, from almost back to the very faintest image, very over exposed. With one exception I have been able to salvage all of what I believe were my fathers rejects. I am about to move on to his 'keepers' which he used to use to do slide shows.

The D800 produces very malleable images which are a joy to work with. Once processed they are producing some lovely pictures. Extracting usable images from wrongly exposed transparencies is a challenge I haven't been able to meet until the D800 and it does it beautifully, my only wish is that he could have seen the advances in photography since the mid 1960's when he made these slides.


For your project HDR must be a godsend.

Of course the primitive old fashioned way to deal with sunset/sunrise exposure was graduated filters. ;-).



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Eric wrote:
For your project HDR must be a godsend.

Of course the primitive old fashioned way to deal with sunset/sunrise exposure was graduated filters. ;-).


Absolutely, I have tried with each successive (digital) camera since the D1, to copy these slides, finally I got there, partly the HDR, partly the high resolution and partly the very forgiving nature of the D800's exposure latitude, I can only guess at what the 810 and of course the D850, are capable of, but to coin a phrase, these are 'good enough'. When I was working, building and someone said "that's near enough" There would be a resounding chorus from his mates, "But Is it right?".

Well, yes they are, exposure wise anyway. In fact a couple of them are outstanding.



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blackfox wrote:
heres the original shot cropped in l/room . nothing else done .

I GET THE FEELING YOUR ALL OVERTHINKING IT


I'm just amazed it even came out at all , given the vintage of the camera and shutter speed ,hand held as well at 600mm
origional by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr


Nothing wrong with it Jeff. Had the Teal been still the reflection would be perfect.

 




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Cheers Iain , it was moving quiet fast at the time ,I think you have to be a birder that's used to catching fast motion as it occurs to really appreciate it . As I keep saying what I find incredible is how sharp it is at that shutter speed

 




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It's like motor sport if you pan at the right speed the slow shutter suspend doesn't matter.

 




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Agreed but the wing and other movements can mess with that. Cars and motorbikes benefit from wheel and background blur but generally with birds it's detrimental.



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I think Jonathan was eluding to the unusual pattern effect on the water.

Lovely shot of the Teal but have to say I find the 'texture' like pattern effect of the water ( I know it's natural) distracting.



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This is a U-Tube link to some 4K movie I shot at same time as the other Kingfisher pixs last week follow below:

https://youtu.be/of1UXC75fzI

It vis with the D850 and same 500mm lens set-up.



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Eric wrote:
I think Jonathan was eluding to the unusual pattern effect on the water.

Lovely shot of the Teal but have to say I find the 'texture' like pattern effect of the water ( I know it's natural) distracting.


Yes I was.
The teal is superbly sharp, but find the reflection in the ripples to be less pleasing.



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