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Posted: Tue Sep 17th, 2019 05:19
 
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Interesting article from Thom, he seems happy with the Z's
I have a lot of time for Thom. He seems to get to the heart of the matter better and more honestly than others.

For me though, there is a simple hurdle. I already have a D850.  
Yes it may be heavier than a Z7 but it doesn't need an extra grip to be comfortable in the hand and until lightweight Z tele lenses come along, the Zs have to use the same weight lenses as the D850. So why change? Even more relevant...why ADD a Z camera?

Whist I agree that the D500 is on balance the best for wildlife (due to its DX factor and speed), I believe the D850's better noise control may have the edge in UK low lighting. I do note that the vast majority of Jeffs images are in bright sunlight. Maybe the answer is ....if the sun isn't out don't bother trying to get a good bird image. That way the noise issue is less relevant in camera choice.

The D850 has the same feel good factor that the D3 had for me.....I always reach for it in preference to other options available.  Although it's had limited use for wildlife, I've not seen the limitations JK mentioned, when compared to the D500. It MAY be good enough for all uses?  It's a difficult call to make. 

For for me I have more interest in the Z6, as it offers less pixels and therefore slightly better noise control than the D850 not to mention smaller files that are more than adequate for 99.9% of my photography and the lighter package.  The issue will be, when/if I decide to get one, is which DSLR to let go? If the D850 can equip itself adequately for my wildlife needs maybe the D500 goes. Deciding to part with the D850 for a Z6 would be a harder decision! So maybe the loser in the short term is the Z6? The status quo lasts a bit longer.



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One thing that is noticeable between D850 and Z7 is battery life.
I get 350-500 images per battery on Z7, while on D850 this is over twice that in fact almost x3.  It is the same battery being used.



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jk wrote:
One thing that is noticeable between D850 and Z7 is battery life.
I get 350-500 images per battery on Z7, while on D850 this is over twice that in fact almost x3.  It is the same battery being used.

After criticising the Fuji XT2 battery life I have mellowed somewhat as I realised that I rarely shoot more than 300 photos in a session these days. That being the case, the battery can be recharged afterwards, ready for the next day. As long as I have that discipline it shouldn't be an issue ...especially as I always have several spares in my bag anyway.

I am trying hard to convince myself that there are no negatives with mirrorless. :thumbs:



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Eric wrote:
After criticising the Fuji XT2 battery life I have mellowed somewhat as I realised that I rarely shoot more than 300 photos in a session these days. That being the case, the battery can be recharged afterwards, ready for the next day. As long as I have that discipline it shouldn't be an issue ...especially as I always have several spares in my bag anyway.

I am trying hard to convince myself that there are no negatives with mirrorless. :thumbs:

I think that every technology has pros/cons but we need to make sure that we dont paint ourselves into a corner with moving to new technology unless there is a real advantage.
With a DSLR it is difficult but not impossible to envisage how EV adjustments effect a scene without taking the image.  This isnt the case with mirrorless as it is nearly WISYWIG.  Mirrorless has advantages and disadvantages and are not mutually exclusive.  Chose your tools (forget you wallet) and you have a great toolset but a weaker bank balance.  You cant win every which way!



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I think that every technology has pros/cons but we need to make sure that we dont paint ourselves into a corner with moving to new technology unless there is a real advantage.
With a DSLR it is difficult but not impossible to envisage how EV adjustments effect a scene without taking the image.  This isnt the case with mirrorless as it is nearly WISYWIG.  Mirrorless has advantages and disadvantages and are not mutually exclusive.  Chose your tools (forget you wallet) and you have a great toolset but a weaker bank balance.  You cant win every which way!

Have you been taking life coaching from my wife? :lol:



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Jan speaks good sense.  I only point you back to her advice.  Of course I am probably bad at taking my own advice. 😁
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Jan speaks good sense.  I only point you back to her advice.  Of course I am probably bad at taking my own advice. 😁
:lol:

She reckons we need new double glazing (all round) and a new patio. So I won't be coming to you for your opinion. :no:



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Why new double glazing?  They can re-gas current double glazed window panes,  patio I cant comment on.



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Posted: Wed Sep 18th, 2019 17:37
 
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Why new double glazing?  They can re-gas current double glazed window panes,  patio I cant comment on.
I built a conservatory in 1995 which has 3 patio doors. The glass rating is ....24years old! They are metal framed on wood surround. The wood is going home. The metal frames and glass rating mean hot in summer, cold in winter...




It was all a bit amateur. Robert will be holding his head in despair. :lol:

The plans....



And we forgot to knock the old conservatory down before we started to build around it.  :lol:





The patio was new then as well.  But her ladyship reckons its time for a change. :needsahug:


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I built a two storey extension in 1987 with similar patio doors - they also are going home, together with a couple of window glazing units with moisture in them. I am slowly replacing all the windows in the house with modern units and they make a HUGE difference. Mrs wants french doors instead of the patio doors - I am trying to avoid that by saying there are other windows in greater need! At around £400 a window it is taking a while ... :lol:



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