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Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 15:36
 
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Sorry Eric but I have been a Buddhist most of my life.  
Blame going to pre-school where I was taught by nuns and the public school where headmaster was son of Archbishop of Canterbury!

Actually there is nothing wrong with drifting to a solution as much is learned during this process.  It is something that many business leaders dont understand.  However as an IT consultant in business process and re-engineering systems and processes I have also seen many failures due to people not understanding what they really, really want rather than trying to cherry pick technology features.  Somewhere in between is a good balance.  I still need to find it.

I know that my photographic meanderings mean that I have 'too much kit', as being abroad I couldnt sell or px very easily.  However I occasionally do use the old piece of kit which makes it useful if not particularly cost efficient.

Wow 2....I didn't realise I was that perceptive.:lol:    Well done you.  

My CEO at the company I worked for (pre PhotoFX) use to refer to me as his Artistic Gypsy.  I always assumed that had something to do with my caravan holidays and creative problems solving.....but it could have been he thought I wandered around my decision making, eventually creating abstract results.:lol:



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My point was/is, like so many things in life, you can drift to a solution, but if you know what you want before you depart, it is easier to go straight there rather than meandering.
Brings to mind the Irishman when asked the way to a remote Irish village by a tourist, scratched his head for a minute and announced: "Well you know, If I was going there, I wouldn't be setting off from here..." :lol:



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Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 17:03
 
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Brings to mind the Irishman when asked the way to a remote Irish village by a tourist, scratched his head for a minute and announced: "Well you know, If I was going there, I wouldn't be setting off from here..." :lol:
:lol:
Dont you love the Irish?

Its the only place in the world where you can walk across a seemingly empty square at 3 in the morning and pass a stranger who says “It's yerself then”.

Having said that, when visiting my father in Yorkshire, we sometimes took a walk along the canal bank and every stranger we passed said “Nah then”.  Even started doing it back. :lol:



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So just to go back on topic.....

What I have surmised is that mirrorless aren't at their best for fast moving subjects and contre jour lighting. Their lesser weight is only relevant when fitted with Z lenses. But their reduced bulk makes them more portable. With these points in mind I am still leaning towards adding the Z6 to see if it dislodges the D850s place in my heart.


Another of our kitchen appliances went to that 'great scrapyard in the sky' yesterday. It's replacement arrived this afternoon with little ceremony or indeed inconvenience to me ....apart from the cost. 😭  I will have to give my wallet time to catch it's breath and stop the palpitations but have decided to pop along to WEX and look at the Z6 with new eyes.



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As I get older I become far more interested in the journey than the inevitable destination!

In my wanderings around Europe by far the best experiences have come from unplanned diversions.

Pleasure riding is exactly the same - we aren't going anywhere, we have no purpose other than to enjoy the journey in each other's company.

When I lived in Nottingham, strangers would often say "Ey up duck". :smilesmall:



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Eric wrote:
So just to go back on topic.....

What I have surmised is that mirrorless aren't at their best for fast moving subjects and contre jour lighting. Their lesser weight is only relevant when fitted with Z lenses. But their reduced bulk makes them more portable. With these points in mind I am still leaning towards adding the Z6 to see if it dislodges the D850s place in my heart.


Another of our kitchen appliances went to that 'great scrapyard in the sky' yesterday. It's replacement arrived this afternoon with little ceremony or indeed inconvenience to me ....apart from the cost. 😭  I will have to give my wallet time to catch it's breath and stop the palpitations but have decided to pop along to WEX and look at the Z6 with new eyes.

Just bought another house here in Cornwall.
It was as perfect as a Z7, so it has some strengths/weaknesses, but costs x100.  So I had to go buy a new fridge, so much choice, but I got something that was somewhat luxurious but functional.  I cant believe that someone would pay the same money for a fridge as a nice Z7 kit!  Heh how. No more cameras for me I guess.



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Eric wrote:
So just to go back on topic.....

What I have surmised is that mirrorless aren't at their best for fast moving subjects and contre jour lighting. Their lesser weight is only relevant when fitted with Z lenses. But their reduced bulk makes them more portable. With these points in mind I am still leaning towards adding the Z6 to see if it dislodges the D850s place in my heart.


Another of our kitchen appliances went to that 'great scrapyard in the sky' yesterday. It's replacement arrived this afternoon with little ceremony or indeed inconvenience to me ....apart from the cost. 😭  I will have to give my wallet time to catch it's breath and stop the palpitations but have decided to pop along to WEX and look at the Z6 with new eyes.

I think that's a fairly fair estimation. However, I would say that with the right settings and techniques the Z6 can be pretty good for action photography, especially (and I realise this might be counterintuitive and not realistic in all scenarios) when you have the chance to select an object for the camera to track. 

I found if I told it to track a car or bird it does do a fairly decent job. But yeah, it isn't a DX/XXX. However, I would say that we might see further improvements with firmware, the last one certainly gave the AF system one hell of a boost.

 




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I said this as the Z's were released, but perhaps it bears repeating.

The Z line is brand new.  It will develop, evolve and improve.  Compare the D1 with the D850, best part of 20 years development?  OK a bit extreme but relevant, this is high technology, a perfect product is rarely never achieved in the first iteration.

Also bear in mind that the features which are good for one type of subject don't suit all types of subjects, no camera is perfect for everything, there will always be compromises if the user wants their camera for multiple specialised uses, if only the significant differences between FX and DX.  Also higher resolution can bring benefits, it also brings what for some, are issues, like more demanding technique and massive file size to name but two.

Horses for courses and give evolution a chance, we are only at the first iteration.

I have used a Z7 for a day and loved it.  The likelihood of my ever owning one is less than zero, one can but dream, I never thought I would get a D800, I'm not about to bin my D300S or my D3.



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I said this as the Z's were released, but perhaps it bears repeating.

The Z line is brand new.  It will develop, evolve and improve.  Compare the D1 with the D850, best part of 20 years development?  OK a bit extreme but relevant, this is high technology, a perfect product is rarely never achieved in the first iteration.

Also bear in mind that the features which are good for one type of subject don't suit all types of subjects, no camera is perfect for everything, there will always be compromises if the user wants their camera for multiple specialised uses, if only the significant differences between FX and DX.  Also higher resolution can bring benefits, it also brings what for some, are issues, like more demanding technique and massive file size to name but two.

Horses for courses and give evolution a chance, we are only at the first iteration.

I have used a Z7 for a day and loved it.  The likelihood of my ever owning one is less than zero, one can but dream, I never thought I would get a D800, I'm not about to bin my D300S or my D3.

True BUT.... many people believe the Z7 is already comparable with the D850 ...or at least 95%. You wouldn't have to wait 20years for it to be 100%. In fact, it's 'next iteration' may well supersede an already superb camera. So the Zcameras are not THAT shabby right now.....worthy of buying and learning to manage their limitations.

As I said earlier... a good photographer, experienced in his specialism(S) would manage with a camera not necessarily designed for those specialisms.
By that I mean one camera CAN perform multiple tasks...especially if you aren't using it to make a living.  (guess some will disagree with that)

Never say never....there may be one body that would fulfill all the requirements you delegate to your D800, D300s and D3 ? ;-)



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Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 12:05
 
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At the moment the Z series are all full frame, not good for wildlife. Second unless you buy the PF lens you have to use old heavy lenses that aren't well balanced with a mirror less camera.

 

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