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| Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2019 07:29 |
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chrishamer
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JK mentioned he had bought the Z7 and that made me wonder how many have made the jump to mirrorless? I'm in that camp too, having bought a Z6 after using the Canon EOS RP for a few months after receiving it for review. I know there are some Fuji users - assuming that's still the case? But how many have made the jump to the Z mount system? Keeping abreast of most of the news the lens roadmap doesn't look too bad, and it does look like this will be a bit longer lived than Nikon's last go at it, but it'd be interesting to hear everyone else's thoughts?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2019 14:04 |
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Eric
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Hi Chris, nice to here your posting again. For me, the transition to mirrorless is still a work in progress. At the moment it's very much a case of on what and how you intend to use it. A key attribute of mirrorless is weight saving. But this is only realised if the camera is used as it stands (eg without added grips/batteries) and with similarly lightweight lenses. It's my observation that all mirrorless camera bodies have departed, to some degree or another, from the evolutionary ergonomic design of the current DSLR bodies. I have always felt the D750 and now the D850 are the pinnacle of 'in the hand' fit. The problem, if it is indeed a problem for some, is the weight of that body size, especially with the added weight of typical DSLR lenses. I would have much preferred Nikon to keep the body size of the Z system the same as the D750/850....just made it lighter. Making it smaller compromises balance and comfort when handholding heavier/longer lenses. I bought into the Fuji XT programme and was happy with the weight of the bodies and day to day lenses. The retro look, angular feel and corners weren't my ideal but the camera was light enough to 'put up with' the feel most of the time. It was only when I started taking bird photographs that I realised the Fuji 400mm zoom lens was only marginally lighter than the Nikon equivalent. In addition, the need for best operational speed could only be approached with a battery grip and 2 batteries. Whilst this grip added back some balance, it also added weight. My birding kit was therefore only a couple of hundred grams lighter than an Nikon DSLR equivalent set up. Despite loving the wysiwyg exposure compensation, I ditched Fuji because it's functionality, evf, weight and battery life failed to improve on a DSLR kit....IN THIS APPLICATION. I tried the Z7 but although the evf was much improved and the feel in the hand was less lumpy than the Fuji, it was still short in the grip making it imbalanced in the hand even with my new lightweight 500mm PF lens. So I have arrived at the belief that whilst mirrorless is good for many applications it is a compromise for some....at the moment. That said, I am moving towards having both systems in parallel. Keeping shorter, lighter lenses for a mirrorless camera but a DSLR for faster more distant and exacting subjects. Right now my dilemma is which DSLR to keep and which mirrorless to get.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2019 14:26 |
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blackfox
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I made the transition last year ,selling all my canon gear and getting a Panasonic g80 plus a Leica 100-400 lens . its a good combo I still have it .. but although b.i.f can be got there was something lacking (hard to define ) I then got back into a DSLR mode with the acquisition of bodies and lenses .. however my recent heart problems have made things a shade uncomfortable for me and am looking at going back to mirrorless MFT .. a lot of contacts are raving about the Olympus omd1-mkii which has had a recent firmware upgrade which when coupled with the leica 100-400 makes a very good ,fast all round combo .. it may well be the path I take again shortly . I have to carefully weigh up any gains against costs so it may or may not happen . one advantage of mirrorless especially olympus and panasonic that a lot of people don't mention is that with the right adaptors old legacy glass has a new lease of life .. which makes it very attractive . giving for the sake of argument a 200mm m42 lens into a manual focus 200mm with 4 way IBIS . focus peaking also helps on these lens/body combos . so for now that's the story all I can add is watch this space
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2019 15:39 |
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jk
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I run both Fuji X mirrorless and Nikon D850, D600, D500 systems. I like the Fuji system as it is actually a better camera to 'hold'. The XT3/2 are digital Nikon F3 or FM cameras but not FX/FF. The Z7 is a lovely camera but has limitations. Try bright backlit subject where you want to see the eyes in focus - fail! This is a situation I have discussed with several other Z users. We do know about d8 setting. Mirrorless doesnt work well as it is either the shadow or the highlight that is shown in the EVF. A DSLR works better.
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2019 15:58 |
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jk
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Regarding comments from Eric... The D850 is a hugely complex and well evolved camera but it is heavy, not as heavy as a D5 or a Canon 1DS mkiii but heavy compared to a Z7 or Fuji XT3. Everything in life is a compromise, perfection is a notional idea like Brexit a million things to different people. All the cameras are compromises of weight, functionality and backwards compatibility. We can now get on ebay adapters from China that provide fully functional use of legacy lenses on the latest cameras. I recently saw someone using a Hasselblad V series lens adapted for use on Fuji GFX50 camera but also on Nikon F/DSLR camera (with a different adapter). Re Jeff's liking for 4/3 cameras I understand the liking of fine glass from Olympus/Panasonic/Leica but for me the compromise to the smaller sensor is a step too far except if I was doing street photography. My photography these days is largely self funded so I dont want to invest in more kit and I feel I have more than enough. I am sure that Eric would think that I have grossly over invested!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2019 11:02 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Regarding comments from Eric... Not at all Jonathan. You can't take it with you. It's just that I get easily confused when I have too much choice to hand. As I am feeling a bit controversial today ....  .....I have no legacy glass to play with. But I am not sure I totally believe all the stories about the 1960s glass being better than today's lenses. When I first changed to digital I had to change a number of my then legacy lenses because frankly they showed far too much chromatic aberration with a sensor behind them, even though they were sharp, smooth in operation and my favourites. Or ...maybe all my old lenses were cr*p versions? Anyway in the spirit of clearing the decks...they went. That said, I never had any complaints about my work using the new upstarts...so they couldn't have been that inferior to the old timers. 😆 Actually that's not true. I did get a complaint from a big farm/land owner that his rusty, muddy, filthy, leaky, dilapidated, carrot harvesting and packing machinery complex looked rusty, muddy, filthy, leaky and dilapidated in my photos. Even when I had him stand in the puddles where I stood and gaze at the rusty heap, he couldn't / wouldn't see the similarity. I could have done with some softer focus, lower contrast glass on that day....and help from Merlin. But I digress. I can understand people blowing off the dust from these old timers when the cost of a modern equivalent quality lens is too prohibitive...and they already have them on the shelf. I can understand the fascination in adapting glass to fit new bodies. I just don't believe all the hype on some forums about glass being better back in the day. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2019 11:05 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:I run both Fuji X mirrorless and Nikon D850, D600, D500 systems. We must compare hands, one day, Jonathan.  Just one other thought.... I don't carry my cameras around my neck or over my shoulders, preferring to hold them (sans strap) all the time in my hand. Doing that, I found the XT with all but the shortest lenses became less comfortable with time. Maybe I should fit and use the strap? 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2019 15:02 |
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jk
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All my cameras except the underwater ones have straps. I usually walk with it over my shoulder but in studio I either use it on a tripod or around my neck. I like the old LowePro neoprene straps but they were discontinued about three years ago. The closest I found as a replacement is these ones. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skidproof-Neoprene-Neck-Strap-for-SLR-DSLR-Camera-Binocular-Nikon-Canon-Sony-UK/13310154 However these do not have the swivels which stops the small strap ends getting twisted.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2019 15:47 |
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blackfox
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Well sold my big lens today for what I paid for it ,and I will be part exing my 7200 body tomorrow and getting a Olympus omd1-mkii .. hopefully it will fullfill my needs . I already have the P/L 100-400 lens that a lot are using with it .. This has come about due to ongoing heart problems rather than any problems with my Nikon gear .the weight was making it a chore rather than a pleasure .. Had a thermo nuclear scan yesterday and I have now got to have another next week ,so hopefully I've made the right choice ..
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2019 16:00 |
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Robert
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Good luck with it Jeff, big lenses are hard work. And all the best for next week.
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