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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 12:16 |
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chrisbet
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Does the Z series not provide frame cropping? One of the things the D610 does is allow you to crop the sensor to DX - I am assuming that you want the extra focal length for your birding, or am I wrong?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 12:22 |
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jk
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Yes it does. But IMHO unless you really want to do everything in camera it is easier to shoot FX and crop on computer.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 12:25 |
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jk
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Iain wrote:At the moment the Z series are all full frame, not good for wildlife. Second unless you buy the PF lens you have to use old heavy lenses that aren't well balanced with a mirror less camera. I am sure that there will be a Z camera that is DX or some other designation e.g. T series. The current Nikon range is just crying out for a 24MP mirrorless APS-C camera with the F mount rather than the S mount found on the Z series camera. If Nikon do this then the AFS F mount glass will become very valuable. Nikon will get a lot of sales for such a camera.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 13:50 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:True BUT.... many people believe the Z7 is already comparable with the D850... You seem to have slightly missed my point... I was alluding to the Z7 being already as advanced as DSLRs, the potential for development is only to be guessed at but I believe if technology of camera design continues as it is and concerted development of the Z line continues, which I am sure it will, then there are some amazing cameras to come. That was really my point. We aint' nowhere yet, on step one of a long staircase. I probably made my point badly! LOL A D500 might replace my D300S? One day... Maybe, I'm not a great lover of DX... As Chris says, one can crop and I find using a DX a bit like peering through a keyhole after using FX cameras. As for the D3, although I fell out with it for night time photography it's a real winner for sports and motor racing. The D800 feels like it's rapid repeat is about once a fortnight! The trend now is to use high speed video and take thousands of exposures over several minutes, selecting the best few and layering them with the best of the best. An interesting technique which uses software to determine the image quality. Comparing thousands of very similar images would be very tedious but also subjective and over time the visual comparison would wander this way and that. Perhaps the Zs will develop the electronic shutter sufficiently to allow such techniques to be used. Currently I understand the electronic shutter is basic. To take thousands of exposures in a couple of minutes will require the process to be perfected. Then the mechanical shutter would likely be redundant.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 14:27 |
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jk
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Robert wrote:
Yes it is like many things these days, skill and good technique is dumbed down so any 'monkey' can take the image or do the job. I see it in many different trades.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 15:11 |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:You seem to have slightly missed my point... I was alluding to the Z7 being already as advanced as DSLRs, the potential for development is only to be guessed at but I believe if technology of camera design continues as it is and concerted development of the Z line continues, which I am sure it will, then there are some amazing cameras to come. That was really my point. We aint' nowhere yet, on step one of a long staircase. I probably made my point badly! LOL Apologies Robert, I thought you were suggesting that because it was the first version it would be better to wait for the next iteration as improvements would be made. Whilst I agree that improvements will be made, given it's already 95?% up there with the best, the incremental changes next time are likely to be small. In fact, it's become quite commonplace for the improvements in subsequent camera iterations to be underwhelming. That being the case here, I would support buying a first version. Of course, one has to be 'in the market' for a new camera to take that plunge in the first place. Although I don't like the idea of taking video and letting software create the best image IT decides on, its arguably analogous to firing off shots like a machine gun and hoping we get a good one. If we are to be purists, we should be going back to the old principle of a taking a single shot 'at the decisive moment'. At the end of the day, I guess we just have to do what best suits our way of working. After all it's primarily just ourselves we are trying to please with the results ....whilst enjoying the process.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 7th, 2019 21:24 |
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Robert
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It's the tech aspect which attracted my attention, I agree about the machine gun approach. One of the issues astro photography throws into the process is air movement which is constantly shimmering, like heat haze. The video technique allows the occasional image to sneak through in a micro lull of air shimmy, this for individual stars or planets, not constellations or nebulae. I have just had a disastrous night, the conditions on Birker fell were poor so I decided to go down into Eskdale and see if we could find a location by the railway to get a nice Milky way shot but noting seemed to work, so we went off towards Hardknot, thinking we might set up near the summit but as we passed the Roman fort I hit a pothole with both n/s wheels, dinging the rims and resulting in deflation of both tyres, I swapped the front one for the spare, then quickly took the back wheel off and beat the rim back into shape with a nearby granite boulder, it stopped leaking so we set off back down with a very soft n/s back tyre. It soon heated up and regained some pressure, we pressed on back towards Ravenglass, there is a garage near the junction with the main road where I thought we might be able to re-inflate the tyre. We got to the garage, I couldn't get the tyre inflator to pump the tyre up, running out of coin fortunately Christopher spotted a button to press for flat tyres... Not a very good night.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 8th, 2019 03:41 |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:It's the tech aspect which attracted my attention, I agree about the machine gun approach. Ouch!! I can just imagine stories of ghostly clankings from a long lost Roman forge had anyone been in earshot.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 8th, 2019 04:35 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:Ouch!! I can just imagine stories of ghostly clankings from a long lost Roman forge had anyone been in earshot.  There were a couple of camper-vans not too far away! It was a bit loud...
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| Posted: Sun Sep 8th, 2019 06:58 |
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jk
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I hope you had your Legionnaires outfit on. I will look for stories about ghostly Roman soldiers in the hills.
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