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Posted: Sat Sep 30th, 2017 02:09
 
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Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic Tom!

This is just the nature of business, it's been going on since time began?

The big difference now is the internet, apps and aggressive promotion from certain quarters. Bricks and mortar shops are under huge pressure, especially if they refuse or seem unable to adopt the internet. No matter their pedigree, the buying masses will go where the best deals seem to be, frequently to box shifters and high volume sellers who give not a care about the products they sell, they are simply there to satisfy their shareholders dividend expectations.

The lack of personal interaction, which is the norm with internet transactions, the lack of care and interest on the part of the bulk sellers will eventually eliminate the traditional, caring competition. The mass buying public don't care so long as they save a few pence or cents, but for people like ourselves, who appreciate any shared interest and personal contact one gets when you are dealing with a person directly rather than via the keyboard.

Small local camera shops are almost non existent now, the larger ones are dwindling. Eventually it seems we will only have Amazon and fleBay, The latter is becoming a nightmare experience for buyers and small sellers due to their big brother approach and their restrictive policies. In the early days I made good friends with some the sellers one or two of which I am still in contact with, now it's almost impossible to speak with the sellers, generally they are actually big businesses which care not a fig for the buyers. It seems fleBay don't want small individual sellers who take an interest in what they are selling, they want maximised profits.

The internet isn't going to go away so the trend will continue, who know where? Perhaps some bright spark will think of some way of stopping this downward spiral to an undesirable low base and find some way to reintroduce the personal touch.



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eBays new policy came out yesterday. If you advertise an item for sale on their site, and then sell it elsewhere, they will still require you to pay them the same fees as if they had auctioned it.

It doesn't make it totally clear if this includes items that do not sell on their site during the normal process, or just ones you pull out mid process.



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highlander wrote:
eBays new policy came out yesterday. If you advertise an item for sale on their site, and then sell it elsewhere, they will still require you to pay them the same fees as if they had auctioned it.

It doesn't make it totally clear if this includes items that do not sell on their site during the normal process, or just ones you pull out mid process.


I wonder how they will establish when an item is withdrawn from sale to be sold elsewhere? What happens if an item for sale gets damaged or the seller changes their mind and just withdraws it?



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Now, their preferred sellers seem to be commercial organisations, who are unlikely to decide to withdraw an item.

They don't need to differentiate, they will probably just insist the fee is paid. After all they have had the expense of handing the proposed sale and listing it... They need to cover their bases. And discourage the rif-raf?

fleaBay don't want small, private sellers it seems. It seems they want to drive another major internet player out of business.

Sadly they have acquired Gumtree too so that's probably where they hope the rif-raf will sell their unwanted gadgets and trinkets.



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Now, their preferred sellers seem to be commercial organisations, who are unlikely to decide to withdraw an item.

They don't need to differentiate, they will probably just insist the fee is paid. After all they have had the expense of handing the proposed sale and listing it... They need to cover their bases. And discourage the rif-raf?

fleaBay don't want small, private sellers it seems. It seems they want to drive another major internet player out of business.

Sadly they have acquired Gumtree too so that's probably where they hope the rif-raf will sell their unwanted gadgets and trinkets.


I better empty my loft and every cupboard of stuff I've considered selling and get it done, pdq.....cos I fear you may be correct!!!

It's strange though, that if we the riff raff are now the minority, they are spending time, effort and money policing minority behaviour. If they are getting their major return from commercial sellers, why pursue the spare change? o.O



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It's strange though, that if we the riff raff are now the minority, they are spending time, effort and money policing minority behaviour. If they are getting their major return from commercial sellers, why pursue the spare change? o.O

To get rid of us. Small price to pay, it would be hard to frame rules to exclude rid-raf and as such there might be a bit of a backlash but the way they are creeping discouragement of small sellers.

My friend has just had just such an experience selling a lens, it was a good AF lens without a focus motor. It was clear in the listing it was for a body with a focus motor but because the buyer didn't understand the difference, he demanded a 'not as described' refund and eBay upheld the claim so they have clawed back the payment and instructed the buyer to return it at my friends expense.

Where the lens ever turns up remains be seen.

Currently eBay is right off his Christmas list.



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Eric wrote:
It's strange though, that if we the riff raff are now the minority, they are spending time, effort and money policing minority behaviour. If they are getting their major return from commercial sellers, why pursue the spare change? o.O

To get rid of us. Small price to pay, it would be hard to frame rules to exclude rid-raf and as such there might be a bit of a backlash but the way they are creeping discouragement of small sellers.

My friend has just had just such an experience selling a lens, it was a good AF lens without a focus motor. It was clear in the listing it was for a body with a focus motor but because the buyer didn't understand the difference, he demanded a 'not as described' refund and eBay upheld the claim so they have clawed back the payment and instructed the buyer to return it at my friends expense.

Where the lens ever turns up remains be seen.

Currently eBay is right off his Christmas list.


Sorry Robert...something wrong with that example. I just had an identical situation while selling a camera for a friend. Without antagonising the buyer ( as it was my account being used!) I reasoned with him over possible solutions without saying "it's all listed in the auction thicko" but offered a full refund. He accepted the refund offer, initiated a "not as described" refund which I auto accepted. EBay and PayPal credited all my fees, I gave him a full refund.....but HE paid for the return postage. It was stipulated in the auction listing....he didn't query it and eBay never got involved. So there must have been some elevated dialogue for eBay to stamp down on your friends transaction??


I should add that I am not a lover of eBay/PayPal per-say, not the least for the 14% you lose in fees! But Ive found their 'ruling' very fair in the past. When a disgruntled buyer sent me offensive messages and gave me totally unjustified feedback, at my request, ebay reviewed the case and message exchanges and as a result, cancelled his negative feedback and restricted his account services.


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Well the details may have become a bit scrambled but I was on the receiving end of a long rant about dumbassed buyers and the stupidity of eBay. My friend has quite a high feedback rating, he is very experienced dealing with these idiots but this time he just got exasperated and hit my button on his phone!

He wants me to create a selling website for him??? He is so exasperated with eBay. Thats well out of my comfort zone...



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I have found issues with eBay siding more with the buyer than the seller without really looking into the situation properly. I had one buyer reject and item as being too used, when it was described as used with photos showing the possible issue (a coffee stain on the cover of a used camera manual from a Bronica 645 camera). The item was as described but I offered a refund if he returned it. He tore the manual in two, making it unsaleable, then returned it with ME paying the postage as part of the eBay insisted return. I reported this to eBay, the buyer said it must have happened in the post. He got his refund and I lost out on two sets of post, packing costs, and the item itself.

Back on track to the original post.
I ordered my used item from Wex on Thursday. It has not yet arrived.
It has sat in Parcelforce's depot since Friday morning.

Free delivery would have got here at the same time via DPD as expedited postage (which I paid £4.99 for) is going to.



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