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Posted: Sun Apr 22nd, 2012 11:45
 
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According to one evaluation, the biggest difference between the D4 and the D3s is color rendering and saturation. Other than that, the evaluator doesn't feel that the D4 gives anything better than the D3's. If you go to one of the nikon sites (I used nikonusa) and do a comparison between the D4 and the D800, there is little the D4 has over the D800 (total pixel count excluded) except for exceptionally high ISO for the D4, burst rate differences, and longer battery life (i.e., the D4 battery last longer).

 




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Constable wrote:
It isn't like Costa del Norwich!

View out of my office window now - and a test on a beetle in the garden suggested ISO 1600 f8 1/60 with the 200 macro!




Blimey.

Hope the mountains brighten a bit more for me at the end of May!

It's been raining, hailing and bright sunshine all at the sometime here today!



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Constable wrote:
Jonathon

I don't like to disagree, but there is a definite role for the D4 in macro work. The object of getting the maximum number of pixels on target and as great a depth of field as possible make the high ISO capacity and higher pixel density than the D3s very attractive.

Ed

I dont think we are in disagreement.

I think that there is a definite role for the D4 in press and reportage but the extra pixels between 12 and 16 are not really significant but maybe they are?. I dont really do macro, I like micro but donthave the equipment for it. EMs are too expensive!
The D3X has more pixels than the D4. Is that not better for macro?

The D4X would be better surely for macro if it had 36-48MP ?
The D400 is meant to be 24MP, that is higher pixel density on a DX format than the D800 with 36MP on FX format.



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Constable wrote: It isn't like Costa del Norwich!

View out of my office window now - and a test on a beetle in the garden suggested ISO 1600 f8 1/60 with the 200 macro!

Calm before the storm.

I remember getting caught in the office in Basle by a rainstorm in May.  The sky went black in the afternoon about 3pm and I was stuck there until about 7pm while it bucketed with rain.
:-)   Happy days!



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I think I probably was suffering from a pre-senior moment and was not clear in what I was trying to say!

I hsten to add, that this is geared entirely to my way of working. Which means, for small insects (bugs, beetles, grasshoppers etc., none of your gaudy popinjay butterflies!). Consequence: the target does not always fill the frame and so cropping is usually the name of the game. This means the higher the pixel count the better. Yes of course the D3X is better if everything else is ideal (see later!).

Also working in the wild which means a lot of the time I am working handheld without tripod or monopod. Consequence: Shutter speed needs to be as high as possible to freeze motion and operator incompetence.

To get a decent depth of field I am often working at f16 or worse! Consequence: less light and a completely against what the high shutter speed dictates.

Chitin is quite shiny and ring-flashes are a p.i.t.a. Consequence: flashes give (i) highlights and (ii) frighten the hell out of the beasties so that you only have one chance.

Therefore, a high resolution camera with a noise-free, high ISO capability is needed. The D3X is IMHO the winner up to ISO 600, but I don't really like going much above ISO 800.

This is the basis for the D4 as the best compromise candidate. When I am ankle deep in photons, the D3X is the tool of choice. The rest of the time (particularly with the Nikkor 200 f4) the D4 is an excellent solution.

The rider is that I do not want or need video.

Hope this clarifies

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Now I'm with you and I also now understand why you went for a D7000. I did wonder but never asked. ;-)
With your rationale the purchase of a D4 makes good sense.

Have you had a test with the D800 or are they as rare in Switzerland as everywhere else.



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Hen's teeth!!

 




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Let's hope that they grow some by mid summer.



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Constable wrote:
I think I probably was suffering from a pre-senior moment and was not clear in what I was trying to say!

I hsten to add, that this is geared entirely to my way of working. Which means, for small insects (bugs, beetles, grasshoppers etc., none of your gaudy popinjay butterflies!). Consequence: the target does not always fill the frame and so cropping is usually the name of the game. This means the higher the pixel count the better. Yes of course the D3X is better if everything else is ideal (see later!).

Also working in the wild which means a lot of the time I am working handheld without tripod or monopod. Consequence: Shutter speed needs to be as high as possible to freeze motion and operator incompetence.

To get a decent depth of field I am often working at f16 or worse! Consequence: less light and a completely against what the high shutter speed dictates.

Chitin is quite shiny and ring-flashes are a p.i.t.a. Consequence: flashes give (i) highlights and (ii) frighten the hell out of the beasties so that you only have one chance.

Therefore, a high resolution camera with a noise-free, high ISO capability is needed. The D3X is IMHO the winner up to ISO 600, but I don't really like going much above ISO 800.

This is the basis for the D4 as the best compromise candidate. When I am ankle deep in photons, the D3X is the tool of choice. The rest of the time (particularly with the Nikkor 200 f4) the D4 is an excellent solution.

The rider is that I do not want or need video.

Hope this clarifies

Ed


All very logical and eloquently explained.

The complex reasoning behind choice of equipment is often missed.

In fact, for some time I have wondered if a critical selection chart would help some of the forum posters.

By breaking down the types of photography (sport, wildlife, landscape, macro etc) and developing a matrix covering the ideal lenses (focal length, fstop, price etc) and similarly camera bodies (focus speed, sensor pixels, weatherproofing, features etc) perhaps we could make the selection process more obvious?



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What and do away with all these enthralling threads?

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