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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2013 13:02 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:richw wrote: Having just compared the Df, D5300, and D7100, there are some interesting differences. Aside from the price and retro look of the Df , it's still the same size/weight as the D7100. Only the D5300 is Fuji size. The D5300 isn't weatherproofed and has more limited shots per charge than the others. I still think 24mp on a DX is too far. I am not sure from current reviews I would favour the Df despite its attractive sensor. But I suppose it depends which characteristic most drives you to overcome each models shortcomings? Is it IQ...weight....features....durability....style????
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2013 13:32 |
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Graham Whistler
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Only just come out of hospital after knee replacement op so have missed all this. As first day I have been able to sit at the computer but only if keep leg up!!! Looks very interesting an nice small size as a spare body, I like the retro style. Be interested to see reviews but image quality bound to be good. No video is no problem for me and many other photographers.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2013 14:34 |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:Only just come out of hospital after knee replacement op so have missed all this. As first day I have been able to sit at the computer but only if keep leg up!!! Good to see you back posting Graham, hopefully well on the way to full recovery. I suspect one of the obstacle the Df will face is the functionality of the dials. Nostalgia is all very well, but we all become accustomed to new designs and features. I bet Nikon wouldn't sell many bodies if they went truly retro....and removed the LCD from the back!! The price point is also a tad high. I think just under the 2k mark is more appropriate. But that puts in price conflict with the D610.... which compared to the D800 is also a tad overpriced. In fact there is an FX confusion with these 3 bodies. IMHO.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2013 15:29 |
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jk
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Glad that you have started your recuperation Graham. Hope that you are out and about soon.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2013 18:29 |
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richw
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jk wrote:richw wrote: OK.... 1 - I've come to the conclusion video is not for me, except maybe a bit of fun with a Go-Pro when doing something active. Might change my mind if we ever manage to have kids, but I think a Camcorder is a lot easier to use. 2. Absolutely and the D3s is plenty good enough performance wise for me, but if I went for a backup body I'm thinking this might be very nice. The smaller form factor/lighter weight is also attractive for slipping in a backpack when I might not take the D3s - I sometimes take the D7000 out for this reason now (but maybe Fuji or Sony would be an even better choice). D600 is another option, if it had a D4 sensor I think I might have got one already but at the moment it's just not grabbing me for some reason. (Just as well - I don't need another body really). 3.Yes, otherwise I'd probably have one by now! 4.D400 might appeal if it comes out but for now the D7000 suffices instead of a D5300. For now I have the D3s, the D7000 and Sony RX1 in regular use, with a D200 and D70 (which I'm not sure still works) in the cupboard. Probably should gift the D200 to someone.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 2nd, 2013 21:28 |
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novicius
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I suspect one of the obstacle the Df will face is the functionality of the dials. In a way this sums it up , them dials are not so easy to use when using gloves , Nikon did not even try t´ make it so , witness the on/off switch which is a shutterbutton collar reminiscent of the Nikon F , nigh impossible to use when wearing gloves,the front wheel falls under the middlefinger , yet a fingered glove might not move it , however inadvertantly moving those dials can n`t be done as they `ll have t` be unlocked.The Big D`s are easy t` use with ( thin ) gloves , I suspect that Nikon took a hard look at their offerings and decided that all those goodies look alike , yet require a shopping list to show the differences , Confusing to say the least , a camera that was radically different was needed , signalling and delivering Superb Photographic Quality , without those bells and whistles that are only in the way ,yet with a good deal of familiarity , and the Df answers that in every aspect , I wonder if this is the establishing of TWO easilly distinguishable Pro-lines , ( 1 ) the resurrection of a picture taking tool , functioning flawlessly within its limitations ( forget about gloves ) , ( 2 ) and the big D`s with bells and whistles and being glove friendly , both being capable to deliver stunning photo quality , the price has been mentioned a few times as being costly , and I too would like to pay much less , and yet ,as it seems that the Df `s photo capabilities seem to rival those of the D4 , and the D4 costing about twice as much as the Df due to its video capibility , shows video comes at a hefty price tag , something I do n`t need/want in my " snappy " , so no more confusing poor little me , plus I`m getting a step closer to that PC E Nikkor 24 , and hoping for prices t` come down is another valid reason t`wait a year , but not a day longer .  sorry JK
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| Posted: Tue Dec 3rd, 2013 05:37 |
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Eric
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novicius wrote: I suspect one of the obstacle the Df will face is the functionality of the dials.Totally agree with the dial comments. The price will fall (like other Nikons) to 75% in 6months...so if I was desperate for nostalgia, I would still wait for a better price. I just think that cameras have evolved into the current shapes, lines and function buttons for a reason...and we (well certainly I have) happily embraced those changes, as they make picture taking easier. Stepping back for the sake of the appearance doesnt sit right with me anymore. Sure the Df has got the best (?) sensor; sure its got legacy lens compatibility; sure it has had nasty video removed...but these are sops to the grey haired purists. Except ....this grey haired purist has been using the retro Fuji for 12 months, which has D3 image quality, but has some of the same retro funtionality quirks of the Df ....that restrict its easy intuitive use. With this in mind, I would question whether having it as a back up to a 'normal' DNikon body is wise? Having used the D7000 and Fuji alongside one another for a year, there is no doubt I have spent more time double checking settings because of differences in feel and 'adjuster' arrangement between the systems. Having to take 'time out' to think about equipment interferes with your creative time and affect results. The only way to force myself to use the Fuji was to leave the D7000 at home. That worked. I did eventually spend less time thinking about equipment with only the one body....but I missed shots that I KNOW I would have gotten with the engrained familiarity of the Dnormal bodies. 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 3rd, 2013 07:55 |
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Iain
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I think working with two different bodies is always a problem for the flow of work. With me doing the sport and wildlife I don't have time to think where the buttons etc are on different makes of cameras. Even different models by the same manufacturer can sometimes pose a problem. Going back to SD cards, having bodies that take CF and SD cards I find that even the fastest Sd card is still slow compared to similar speed CF card.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 3rd, 2013 08:19 |
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blackfox
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Iain wrote:I think working with two different bodies is always a problem for the flow of work. With me doing the sport and wildlife I don't have time to think where the buttons etc are on different makes of cameras. Even different models by the same manufacturer can sometimes pose a problem. got to agree 100% with that
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| Posted: Sat Dec 7th, 2013 13:21 |
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amazing50
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Good to see you back Graham, hopefully well on the way to a full recovery. Other than the "feel good factor" the Df doesn't seem to have that much to offer me, that I don't have in my D600. In fact it's missing features that I require such as Video. The price of the Df is rather high because of the cost of the extra dials. It's much cheaper to do things with firmware, than mechanically.
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