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| Posted: Mon Aug 19th, 2013 08:03 |
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jk
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richw wrote:jk wrote: I'm almost tempted by a D3X as it is 24MP but the new sensors have better support electronics so it makes sense to go that way if I want 24MP. Also I think a 24MP D400 would be very nice.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19th, 2013 16:35 |
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amazing50
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jk wrote: Amazing50. I'd be interested to hear in detail what you dont like about the D600. Is it relay worth $2000 US to get 30%less pixels? Wouldn't it be easier to set the D800 at Normal Jpg. or buy a 64gb data card if you shoot raw and reduce the size in post processing? There is a battery grip available from Nikon or aftermarket for about $100 US with extra batteries from eBay, which I purchased and it works just fine. My battery idle overuse complaint below comes from all types including AA batteries. Now for some detail on what I don't like. I'm not relay a person who complains a lot and there are many features on the D600 that are quite good. Many of the annoyances are software related and could be improved with a firmware update. There are features that I rarely use, like in camera editing, filters sharpening or anything that can't be undone later. No articulating LCD, why won't Nikon put this highly useful feature on their top line cameras? No histogram in live view option, can only be brought up in picture review. Short battery life when turned off, seems OK when out shooting for a day. Too many short timer offs. No choice for longer times when using remote shutter at a bird feeder etc. Mode dial lock releases, both unnecessary and annoying. Jumps back to default settings too easily, don't know why, every so often it resets to normal jpgs. with no raw. Camera menus are clumsy and there are 58 symbols used although the "My Menu" lets you set up commonly needed items. Higher ISO settings won't show on XMF data, a common complaint on Nikons as they use "Hi 2" instead of a number. No Copyright Symbol in the pix info settings, once you have 58, what's one more? No internal Wifi or GPS which is standard on many lower priced cameras. Cords and plugs and chargers not compatible with other current Nikon Products. No 1920x1080 60p movie mode.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 02:41 |
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jk
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amazing50 wrote:No articulating LCD, why won't Nikon put this highly useful feature on their top line cameras? I can manage most of those items but there are a few worries there. These are my worries from your list.... - Short battery life when turned off, seems OK when out shooting for a day. - Very bad news for me. - Too many short timer offs. No choice for longer times when using remote shutter at a bird feeder etc. - This is really annoying as they should have more options, and a No time out option. - Jumps back to default settings too easily, don't know why, every so often it resets to normal jpgs. with no raw. - OMG, horrible!!!. - Camera menus are clumsy and there are 58 symbols used - Annoying - No Copyright Symbol in the pix info settings, once you have 58, what's one more? - Use this as it saves me in my post processing for pictures I sell but is not a huge deal just an annoyance. - No 10 pin cord instead have a funny USB like (but not USB) connector. - I do have a GPS unit that has exchangeable leads so this doesnt worry me too much but it would be nice to also trigger the camera using my other electronic devices e.g. PocketWizards.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 04:57 |
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Eric
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My main reasons for buying a D600 would be image quality in a lighter body. FX sensors have traditionally meant better IQ than their corresponding DX models. So does the D600 produce better images than the D5200, D7100 or whater its DX equivalent is? Obviously, if there are ergonomic and functionality issues they may influence that thinking. What concerns me most in the 'quest for a lightweight body' is that lightweight lenses dont really maximise the body's potential. I end up taking heavier lenses of known quality... which sort of defeats, or at least reduces, the advantage of a lighter body. I am beginning to wonder if rather than buying a new camera body, I should pay to join a gym and build back up my ageing neck, shoulder and arm muscles to 'D3 daylong use' calibre. 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 05:21 |
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jk
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Definitely agree with that thought Eric. The D600 is very tempting as it is so much lighter and is same size as a D7000.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 09:46 |
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amazing50
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Eric wrote: My main reasons for buying a D600 would be image quality in a lighter body. FX sensors have traditionally meant better IQ than their corresponding DX models. So does the D600 produce better images than the D5200, D7100 or whater its DX equivalent is? There is a quality advantage with larger pixels, how much, I don't know. The downside to all the high pixel sensors is defraction. On the D600 this comes into play at f8 and above so a minimum f6.3 should be used. The other thing that comes up is that some older FX lenses don't have enough resolution for the sensor. Nikon has a list of the recommended lenses for the D600 & D800. Also minor camera shake during the high speed scan of the sensor will cause blur so that the old rule of 1/mm of the lens for minimum shutter speed is no longer valid, might be with VR on.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 14:59 |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote:Eric wrote:My main reasons for buying a D600 would be image quality in a lighter body. FX sensors have traditionally meant better IQ than their corresponding DX models. So does the D600 produce better images than the D5200, D7100 or whater its DX equivalent is? Don't understand ...did you mean maximum? Either way that sounds a bit restrictive.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 17:28 |
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blackfox
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Also minor camera shake during the high speed scan of the sensor will cause blur so that the old rule of 1/mm of the lens for minimum shutter speed is no longer valid, might be with VR on. can't quite get my head round this statement ,surely this would also apply the to the d7100 ,the only time it comes into effect that i have so far found is in allowing to take into account a higher apparent focal length in 1.6 crop factor mode ????
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 18:49 |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:Also minor camera shake during the high speed scan of the sensor will cause blur so that the old rule of 1/mm of the lens for minimum shutter speed is no longer valid, might be with VR on. It WAS a fact that the higher the pixel density, the more precise your technique needed to be ....especially relating to handheld shutter speeds. I had to increase shutter speed on the D2X by at least a stop to match the D1X performance. Whether this 'small pixel' impact still applies, is the question. Nikon must have done something to improve small pixel performance because ALL their new releases have pixel densities greater than the D2X. But with this improvement does the observation...."the less packed the pixels, the better" ...still apply? If so, you would expect the D4 to yield better IQ than a D800 on the same settings ....when hand held. And hence my original post ....asking if the D600 with its less packed pixels was any better than the denser D7000/7100/5200 models.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21st, 2013 00:52 |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:
As far as the D800 is concerned I would say the small pixel still has an adverse effect on {ultimate) sharpness WHEN HAND HELD. I base this on the stress Nikon put on the need for solid tripod and the very best glass, even providing a list of suitable lenses to obtain the full benefits of the sensor. This can be read in the brochure to be found on-line and presumably the printed version. It was the first thing I looked at when the D800 was introduced. Any other bodies 'enjoying' similar high pixel densities (small pixels) must be similarly compromised. What makes this ridiculous in my eyes is that very few users will EVER NEED this ultra high definition. It will only ever be seen by the final viewer with huge prints or tiny crops. There is almost no advantage to the end product. I have printed cropped hand held photographs of flowers over 3 ft across the diagonal from my 10Mp D200 which knock viewers over with the clarity and detail. Why spend all that money for nothing??? I greatly appreciate amazing50's post pointing out his list of drawbacks of the D600, some of them would drive me mad. I had penciled a D600 into my mental list of future purchases, it's now erased and replaced by my original choice, a used D3. Mass doesn't bother me too much, yet and when it does Michael will act as caddy I am sure (with a promise of large chocolate cream cakes afterwards! LOL).
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