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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2013 06:18
 
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I just went out to do some quick shots with the D300.
The central button on the selector switch does do the zoom function just like the D700, D3, D3S, etc.

I have D300 with v1.10 firmware.

So it must be some other factor!



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I know what Jeff means about the feel. I don't warm to handling the D7000 in the same way I did the D300 and even more so the D3. For me it's the balance when you add a decent lens that I notice.

It will be interesting to see if the D7100 is only a precursor to a pro DX body. Not putting any money on that bet ....either way.


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I feel the performance of the D300 was overshadowed by the D3. I rarely used my D300. When I did, I also felt less than satisfied with IQ. Now that may have been the infrequent use, making me less tuned in, because it's very clear in the right hands, it's capable of stunning results. Or maybe I had a Friday afternoon version? Maybe, despite the spec, the D300S had some unmentioned tweaks?

I did recognise the D300 pedigree and said at the time, you may recall, that I felt it was likely to be a long stayer and questioned if another pro DX model would ever come along.

We will have to wait and see if the latter comes to pass.


With regard to the ISO. I recall the heated debate I had with Phil comparing D7000 and D300 noise. LOL

I felt that in daylight there was a slight top edge advantage (>1600iso) with the D7000. Effectively it was about a stop better at the top end.
But in artificial light, the D7000 sensor introduced colour artefacts in the noise that the D300 didn't exhibit. So although the noise may be 1stop better, I felt the purity of the D300 coa**er noise was more pleasing ...and more grain like. The D7000 (maybe due to pixel size) goes more 'digital' in its appearance.

Of course if you don't go over 1000iso, I suspect there's little difference.


For me the biggest difference between these bodies (apart from the feel -already mentioned) is the speed of response. I haven't quantified it but when I go to shoot with a D300 or D3 it just 'happens'. The D7000 has what I feel is a microsecond decision timeout.


:baffled:


It remains to be seen if this is sorted in the D7100...and of course whether it follows the D600 geishas only handling.


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Eric, Thanks for the comprehensive reply.

Does not put me off a D7000 for underwater use or general use. I still use my D300 when I go out wildlife shooting and dont feel that the D3S or D800 will provide the reach I need.



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Sounds like it is definitely worth a look...



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also reading through various forums it seems that with the d7100 nikon japan have not stated this as the flagship dx model at all ,that phrase came from over hype by nikon usa and nikon europe .so perhaps we might yet see another high end dx model .as with the burst capacity it all seems to stem from one comment on one write up .so lets play the waiting game on this


Thom comments on this, there seems to be a definite difference between what Japan are saying and Nikon USA. Assuming the home (Japan) reports are more likely to be correct it would seem that the DX Flagship is still to come and D7100 is mid range.

 




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theres a couple of alleged e/mails from nikon europe being toted on nikon rumors today that allude to there still being a d400 in the offing .you never know whether there real or made up but it does at least tie in with what has been said by myself,eric and rich .
gut feeling says they might have decided to be this open as a damage limitation exercise as a lot of peeps over the last week have stated they will change to canon if the 7100 is the true top DX model .
all exciting init o.Oo.Oo.O

 




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Well Nikon apparently have the APS-C compact camera coming in a couple of weeks.

For me if they announce a D400 between now and June then it alters the whole range and makes the FX and DX ranges balance much better.  Remember there is a 36-50MP D4X coming probably in lte 2013 or early 2014.


If a D400 comes then it will be 24MP with a bigger buffer than the D7100 and with a 10 pin socket plus all the other stuff from the D300s then it would be very nice.
Certainly if the body was similarly sized to the D600 then it would be very good.



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jk wrote: Well Nikon apparently have the APS-C compact camera coming in a couple of weeks.

For me if they announce a D400 between now and June then it alters the whole range and makes the FX and DX ranges balance much better.  Remember there is a 36-50MP D4X coming probably in lte 2013 or early 2014.


If a D400 comes then it will be 24MP with a bigger buffer than the D7100 and with a 10 pin socket plus all the other stuff from the D300s then it would be very nice.
Certainly if the body was similarly sized to the D600 then it would be very good.

Not so sure about the last comment.;-)

There is no doubt the D300 feels better in the hand than the D7000...and from whats been said, the D600 also.

Whilst I understand your need for compactness, I think I would settle for a D300 weight and size.



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I like the 300s way better and some of it is real, probably some not.

The LIVE button use is great, better high ISO noise is very significant.

Silent shutter is a joke (one frame silent?)



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Body sizes are: (Wide x High x Deep)

D7000 132 x 105 x 77mm
D7100 136 x 107 x 76mm
D70     140 x 111 x 78mm
D600   141 x 113 x 82mm
D300s  147 x 114 x 74mm
D700   147 x 123 x 77mm
D800   146 x 123 x 81.5mm
D3       160 x 157 x 88mm
D4       160 x 157 x 91mm

D600 is close to the D300 size except that it is a little less wide but much deeper (front to back), the height is actually less than the D300s which is unusual.
For my underwater camera I want a small compact DSLR but that compactness does not need to be in the width as long as it is less than 148mm wide but in the height (less than or equal to 113mm) and depth (less than or equal to 78mm).

The FX cameras tend to be deeper due to their larger larger mirror box (I assume) but the D600 nearly gets there but kills me with the extra depth of 4mm over for my needs in an underwater camera.



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