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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 12:30 |
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Squarerigger
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With the advances in mirror less cameras such as Fuji X series and the quality of their lenses, would you consider life without a DSLR? I am assuming that folks making a living with a camera or those with such hobbies as sports or bird photography would not part with a DSLR. I can see where a smaller system which gives very good photos for the general photographer would be intriguing not to mention less weight and volume. One may be more prone to taking the photo gear more often when out and about. When I get bored I get to thinking outside my very tiny box. 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 15:16 |
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Robert
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Interesting thought Gary, it makes me consider why I have a camera. 1) To keep a pictorial record of myself, my family, holidays, events and my surroundings. 2) To record work projects, jobs I have done and record progress, illustrate reports for clients. 3) For illustrations for publication. 4) Product photography for clients. 5) Hobby photography, wildlife, motorsport and landscapes. For 1 I could manage with a point and shoot, even a phone camera because high image quality isn't a requirement. For 2 I could probably get by with a higher quality small sensor camera. For 3, 4 and 5, I feel I need a DSLR and a selection of lenses. Range determined by the subject. To some degree group 5, Hobby photography kinda requires a DSLR to allow the experimentation and exploring the limits of photography as a hobby in it's own right. I would love a rangefinder digital full format (24 x 36mm) camera possibly with an electronic eye level viewfinder, but I don't think it would replace a DSLR. Analysing hobby photography a little I think the experience gained from experimentation and 'pushing the limits' helps proficiency for 3 and 4.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 15:20 |
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Eric
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Squarerigger wrote:With the advances in mirror less cameras such as Fuji X series and the quality of their lenses, would you consider life without a DSLR? In the good old days, quite a few professionals functioned with 'just' rangefinder Leicas. I haven't ever used anything longer than 200mm in my line of work...typically its in the range 18-120. So it's not inconceivable that I could function with Fuji XPro or EX, PROVIDED it is sufficiently responsive. Although the X100 is capable of matching D3 high ISO quality images it's slow to start up and operate, drains batteries like the D1series Nikons and is too quirky in some of its functions. Whether the newer models have resolved any of these critiques I don't know. But it would have to be improved significantly,for it to be as 'on demand' as a DSLR. Of course, as you say, there are also a large number of commercial and hobby activities that require focal lengths beyond those available for the X series. Even with adapters or further range extensions I suspect the body just wont be suitable. But I am, looking forward to trying the new Fuji to see where it could fit into my recreational photography. Nearly got one last week...but vacillated too long and they are back on back order!!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 16:09 |
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jk
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I think that if the AF speed of my Fuji XPro1 was the same as my D3s then I would probably look to offload my DSLR kit but it isnt anywhere like as good. I will try to get hands on with a Leica M9 when I am in UK next but in fact that is just for my own interest to compare with the Fuji XPro1. In reality I could ask Ed Constable to discuss with me the whys and wherefores of the situation and probably make a judgement call. He has Leica M9, S2 and Nikon D3X, D800 so is well placed to comment. We know the quality from the Nikon D800 can match a Leica S2 almost, likewise a Fuji XPro1 can match a Nikon D3s in IQ under certain conditions but in real life use the different cameras strengths and weaknesses start to force a both rather than an either/or situation. Ed, I look forward to seeing your comments on this. 
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 16:48 |
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Squarerigger
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Some very interesting answers here. I brought this up as a result of my investigating possibly purchasing a Fuji X series camera. I have spent a considerable period of time on the Fuji Forum and found it very interesting as an outsider looking in on owners of all three X series bodies. I started noticing postings from owners of the XPro1 and Xe1 making claims to having dumped their Nikon kits for the Fuji mirror less system. They all seemed to be happy with the decision. Of course, I am sure if one was hasty making this type of move, one would not be so outspoken about the horrible mistake.:-( Anyway, I had never contemplated making such a move but it got me thinking about having to make a choice between the two systems. The responses so far are along the the same lines as my own thoughts. Except that Robert and Eric, as usual, have managed to boil them down to well thought out concise points which I like - and wish I could do myself. As of the present moment, I don't think I could part with my DSLR. Money always being the great leveler of playing fields, tells me I should stay with the DSLR as it checks off more of my needs than the X series. There is nothing "I" can accomplish with the X series that I can't do as well or better with the DSLR. If money weren't a player ---- well then I wouldn't be asking these stupid questions I still think it would be lovely to own an X100 to carry around all the time.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 17:55 |
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Eric
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Squarerigger wrote:Some very interesting answers here. I brought this up as a result of my investigating possibly purchasing a Fuji X series camera. I have spent a considerable period of time on the Fuji Forum and found it very interesting as an outsider looking in on owners of all three X series bodies. It's a nice idea, but in practise the difference in operation between a Nikon DSLR and the X100 is quite significant. In fact, it's part of the Fujis raision d'ªtre to be different and a bit retro quirky. This difference in operation can disrupt your photography. So there is some sense in abandoning one format to concentrate on another. The problem is ...the DSLR is still in pole position! Having tried to run the two systems in parallel, when I need to concentrate, I endup using the DSLR. I also feel the people on the X100 forum who claim to have ditched their DSLR are either forcing it to work (inspite of its limitation) or aren't concerned about the real issues I listed...or are not telling the whole truth!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 18:10 |
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Robert
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Having run D1/D1x and D200 together, I found the operation very similar, mainly two command dials. They simplify the operation of the root functions of the camera. Now I have a D3100 I find the menu driven control very slow and cumbersome by comparison and as Eric says, I then reach for the D200 and it's more manual controls. I am still trying to figure how to control the exposure compensation for the built in flash on the D3100. OK, rtfm but I resent having to read the manual for such a basic function.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2012 23:48 |
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Constable
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The question is one that will become ever more important I think. I think that it was Churchill, who said on meeting someone called Bossom that it was neother one thing nor the other. I sold on my Leice M kit on that basis. Too heavy and big for a carry around whe travelling. Less flexible than DSLR for other things ... But lenses to die for. I do mainly macro photography and nature. For macro, there is not really anything to give competition to DSLR or MF (yet?). My carry about when travelling is a NEX 7 with a pancake and an 18-200 in my bag if I can carry it ( the mac book air leaves space) I have startedusing the V1 with a 300 F4 (800 mm equivalent) for birding when I do not want to carry a lot of weight. It is not in the same league as the D4 or 800E but gives good resluts. The extra MPs of the V2 might be interesting. I just analyesd my recent usage in Lightroom. It looks as if I reach for the D4 as first choice. Then the S 2 with the 800E coming in third. Probably just the big hands factor. I have been tempted by the Fuji line and the OMD but I think the NEX system is better ... Although the lenses have to catch up. I like a viewfinder to put my eye to, so only the X-Pro appeals. I want either (i) a D4 with 36 MP plus and useable ISO up to 6400 (no tripod macro work) or (ii) better high ISO ( to 2400) and some long glass (400?) for the S2. Oh and an unlimited back account! Ed
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2012 01:41 |
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blackfox
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theres nothing out there thats as responsive or has the quality for wildlife pics as far as i,m aware .i tried the overhyped canon sx40hs last year and although it had a 40x zoom with i.s ,at that range the pics just didn't cut the ice . at this moment in time i am struggling to decide which to keep as my main camera my d7000 with higher mp/iso-range/and higher dynamic range or my d300s which is a generation older but seems to turn out a better overall photograph . its nothing to do with progress or functions its just a subtle difference in the actual pics which can't be properly described .perhaps progress isn't all its cracked up to be and the camera makers are losing sight of the end product in there rush to outdo one another 
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2012 02:16 |
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jk
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Very interesting posts ! All touch on the little things that I have noticed using the X100 and XPro1 and my DSLRs. This convinces me that there are cameras that need to be used for certain styles or types of photography. All produce great results but some feel more 'natural' to use in some situations. I have defined as yet which is best where. The D300 versus other Nikons doesnt provide me with the same quality of results I would expect. Annoyingly I cant work out why. I may get the camera converted to IR as an upgrade from my D70 IR converted camera.
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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