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Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2012 01:05
 
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richw wrote:
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thought it over checked out prices and i'll stick with nikon ,its just that sony seem to be the only company at present offering fast burst rates ,i don't do to bad with what i got though ,so till the magic fairy dumps some money in my wallet its keep dreaming :sssshh::sssshh:

Do you need a high burst rate for wildlife? I thought that was the preserve of sports/journalist? A mate of mine has a Sony, the focus is horrible compared to any of my Nikons.


it helps in certain circumstances rich ,i can only talk from experience with the lower priced canon and nikon bodies but the two things you need are are fast focus and fast high burst rates ,nothing worse than getting a good bird shot to find your buffer is full ,or sat in a hide hearing the canons going off like machine guns around you i suppose its phycological really .as i said i don't do bad at all with what i have .so i'll stick for now

 




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I did notice when I was photographing the Little Terns with Jeff during the summer that they move so fast it's impossible to capture a particular pose, for want of the correct term.

Going through the images later I found many sharp and otherwise 'OK' images were spoiled by pose, wing positions and heads pointing the wrong way etc. That all changes in a second, so one image may be rubbish, the next a winner. It would be very difficult to time these events by eye, they happen so fast and at some distance, often while panning. Getting the bird in frame is a challenge, let alone choosing a pose!

That said, I don't think the difference between 5 frames a second and 11 frames a second would up the keeper rate much because a burst of images either 'has it' or not. One extra image between two would not make that much difference most of the time.

On a practical note the difference in cost between a 5 fps body and an 11 fps body is considerable for only one extra frame between two. Better use movie mode and extract a frame! That would give you 30 fps and silent. The Canons would think you gone to sleep!



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yep you summed it up better than me rob ,mind you the d7000 is no slouch either ,i still got pics to look at from the 2000+ i took of the red kites at gigrin farm in a couple of hour session .

 




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I think that like Robert says unless you use movie mode that you are shooting and hoping rather than trying to capture the peak moment.
I know that they move so fast that you cant double guess them but that is the fun of nature photography!!



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jk wrote:

I know that they move so fast that you cant double guess them but that is the fun of nature photography!!


In some ways I would disagree with that.

If you study the bird/animal there is in most, a habit or repetative behaviour.
Although I can take 8fps I tend to only use 3/4 frames at a time and have good success.

 




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I have been shooting wildlife (mostly birds I admit) for well over 50 years and have gotten some terrific shots. These were almost all with film cameras from Nikon/Canon/Leica rangefinders to Hassleblad/Bronica/Mamiya/Pentax 120film. None were any faster than you could advance the film. How in heavens name could we have POSSIBLY made any good pictures with such obsolete cameras. Who makes the photograph today the photographer or the camera.When I would put one of my D2h's on full speed I would have absolutely no idea what i would get. And they were fairly fast cameras.



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ah the good old days ,had a few of them myself ,the old mamiya twin interchangeable lens model was my favourite ,i also remember in the distant past acquiring a rollieflex TLR in a swop for a model airplane someone had given me for free ,took a few shots with the camera and the lens tended to give everything a pink tinge ,took it to a dealers and nearly fell through the floor when he offered me a grand for it .seems the lens was a really rare one ???? i took the money and had a good holiday with and took my brand new slr with me one that had a built in exposure meter ,new technology in them there days all purchased from the grand profit ,heady days of yore :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

 




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Iain wrote:
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I know that they move so fast that you cant double guess them but that is the fun of nature photography!!


In some ways I would disagree with that.

If you study the bird/animal there is in most, a habit or repetative behaviour.
Although I can take 8fps I tend to only use 3/4 frames at a time and have good success.


I'd agree with that but their actual movement is so fast for some animals that you would need 60fps to even get close to capturing the movement e.g. hummingbirds and bats.

We have swallows that fly over a certain area catching insects and I can follow them easily with my eye until I try to photograph them when it become almost impossible.



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jk wrote:

We have swallows that fly over a certain area catching insects and I can follow them easily with my eye until I try to photograph them when it become almost impossible.

It just take practice Jonathan years and years of practice. :rofl:

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You need to practice some more Iain, the bottom one is upside down?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Great capture, well done!



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