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Posted: Sun Jun 2nd, 2013 18:59
 
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Doug wrote:
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I really have never considered the 7000 or 7100 as I had the impression that the build was more like a D40 upgraded than a D300 substitute.

Am I wrong? If is can take the weather in your side of the world, I probably should consider it :-)


I agree D~~ and D~~~~ cameras were always specced below D~ and D~~~ in a few important areas

I'm not sure if this is still the case but compare

Body materials
Weatherproofing
Buffer
PC sync socket
10 pin remote socket
Style of strap lugs
Number of frames available in bracketing mode
Viewfinder brightness
Viewfinder percentage
Separate af-on/ae-l buttons
Number of customisable buttons
Top LCD
Style of viewfinder (circular on D~ models)
Shutter rating
Shutter release performance
Shutter materials?

That's just from memory so there might be a few more

I think D600 is a bit of an anomaly here with several serious limitations including limited bracketing


Doug-

That list helps focus. As a group, they are probably not "worth" the extra price, but about half of them fit in the category of MUST HAVE if you are used to them.

I'll now stick happily with the D300s unless there is a D400 to tempt me ;-)



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Posted: Mon Jun 3rd, 2013 00:11
 
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Doug-

That list is great. If you add it all up, they are not really "worth" the extra costs.

OTOH, if you've really grown accustomed to them, they become essentials...

Think I'll wait for a D400 or stick with what I have :-)



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Not owning a D7000 I am not really qualified to speak on this but Doug seems to have missed off the biggest gripe most D7000 owners have and that is the AF speed.

Again without actually comparing the specs I was under the impression that the D7000 does have a metal body but I could be wrong?

Another factor is the feel, I think the feel factor is very important. I have a little D3100 and although it has much higher resolution and arguably better high ISO capability than my D200, I consider it a snapshot almost 'throw away' camera compared with the D200 which I reach for to take any serious photographs. I find it very hard to hold still, whenever I hold the camera to my eye I seem to press buttons on the back with my nose because the camera is so narrow, I get nose grease all over the rear screen because there is no protector and no way of fitting a protector, the back screen is scratched because there is no protector.

The one feature on the D7000 that I covert is the ability to lock to banks of user settings with a knob U1 and U2, That would avoid user stupidity like forgetting to reset manual colour balance and exposure bracketing to normal after use. Another one I set and forget is exposure delay and mirror up first which I use quite often to take longish exposures of flowers in shade on a tripod.

That would be a real help because I don't use my cameras every day, and even if I did my memory isn't what it was. If I am concentrating on making the images I tend to forget the minor stuff like returning settings to normal.



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I would not advise anybody with a D300 or D300S to trade then in for a D7100 the build quality is not nearly as good. I am now sorry I let my D300 go, it is a great camera.



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i very nearly bought a d5200 last week ,but having a hands on in the shop ,it literally felt "toy" although it has the electronics that give it a good pedigree .i would rather give up than be forced into having one .the d300s i love to use ,it has its limitations in the winter re-iso levels but in summer sun it just performs like a eye extension ,and everything falls to hand .
i aquired a canon 1dmkii last week from my lad ,and although its a ex-top or the range canon model and has some super features it doesn't come anywhere near the d300s .the sparkle you get from nikons dynamic range is missing from canons .probably consign this one to a macro camera and for back up ,to good a price to let it leave the house !!!

 




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blackfox wrote: i very nearly bought a d5200 last week ,but having a hands on in the shop ,it literally felt "toy" although it has the electronics that give it a good pedigree .i would rather give up than be forced into having one .the d300s i love to use ,it has its limitations in the winter re-iso levels but in summer sun it just performs like a eye extension ,and everything falls to hand .
i aquired a canon 1dmkii last week from my lad ,and although its a ex-top or the range canon model and has some super features it doesn't come anywhere near the d300s .the sparkle you get from nikons dynamic range is missing from canons .probably consign this one to a macro camera and for back up ,to good a price to let it leave the house !!!


I also considered one of them as a replacement for the D300 but decided that I should just be patient (doesnt sound like me).
However my D300 is my oldest camera that I use regularly on land so it is due for replacement or movement to the museum section.



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Doug wrote: TomOC wrote:
Eric-

I really have never considered the 7000 or 7100 as I had the impression that the build was more like a D40 upgraded than a D300 substitute.

Am I wrong? If is can take the weather in your side of the world, I probably should consider it :-)


I agree D~~ and D~~~~ cameras were always specced below D~ and D~~~ in a few important areas

I'm not sure if this is still the case but compare

Body materials
Weatherproofing
Buffer
PC sync socket
10 pin remote socket
Style of strap lugs
Number of frames available in bracketing mode
Viewfinder brightness
Viewfinder percentage
Separate af-on/ae-l buttons
Number of customisable buttons
Top LCD
Style of viewfinder (circular on D~ models)
Shutter rating
Shutter release performance
Shutter materials?

That's just from memory so there might be a few more

I think D600 is a bit of an anomaly here with several serious limitations including limited bracketing
Definitely agree on the last comment else I would have bought one to replace the D3 or D700.
It has all the right items except it lacks the build of a pro body and the 10 pin socket. 
To me if feels like a FF equivalent of the D7100.




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Robert wrote:
Not owning a D7000 I am not really qualified to speak on this but Doug seems to have missed off the biggest gripe most D7000 owners have and that is the AF speed.

Oops - but I did say it was a top of the head list...



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It's not a sacking matter Doug! :devil:

Actually I think it was a very good list for 'top of the head', several things on there I didn't know about.

To me the biggest gripe I have about these 'cheap' high resolution consumer bodies is the horrible, harsh, gritty noise in shadow areas, I have seen it time and again in images on here even at the low screen resolution we get online. On occasions when I have mentioned here I have been accused of pixel peeping??? So I have moved on since it doesn't affect me, I am happy with my antiquated D1x and D200. Of course it could be caused by the compression process used when the images are compressed when they hit the forum server software, but I don't think so because it doesn't happen with the larger pixel cameras. It has been said it's caused by post processing but I'm not so sure.

My D3100 is just the same, even with NEF's straight from the camera. Looking in the shadow areas, instead of smooth, graduated shade it's a speckled gritty mixture of light and dark pixels mixed to produce the appropriate shade, instead of a smooth graduated area of the appropriately coloured pixels. I don't believe the shaded areas are outside the gamut of the sensor or the software because larger pixel cameras manage to produce smooth shaded areas despite their comparative brick sized pixels. Also it's not JPEG artefacts because it happens with untouched NEF's straight from the camera.



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TomOC wrote:
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I really have never considered the 7000 or 7100 as I had the impression that the build was more like a D40 upgraded than a D300 substitute.

Am I wrong? If is can take the weather in your side of the world, I probably should consider it :-)


There's no doubt its smaller and lighter, weatherproof rather than waterproof. But I never subject my D3 or D300 or D200 to sustained weather conditions likely to really damage them.....do you?

Having been working the D7000 and Fuji EX1 in the current German/Austrian torrential rain I have felt more comfortable wiping off the D7000 than the Fuji. Don't know the answer....but is the Fuji pro any better proofed than the D7000?



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