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Posted: Sun Oct 28th, 2012 18:13
 
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Have you tried the Nikon or Sigma 80-400 zooms? I know max aperture is only f5.6 but Ed Matusik manages to get very nice deer and bear pictures with his.

Ed has the Nikon and I have a Sigma version. It works but it isnt as good as my 400 f2.8



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tried a nikon vr version ,trouble is its the old screw drive type thus extremely slow to focus so out of the running for what i do jk ,had a sigma 150-500mm and couldn't achieve the i.q or focus speed needed ,between myself and my son we have had several sigma zooms and not got the quality from them thats needed .
i have thought about the 120-400 sigma a few times but i'm wary as per above .
this shot taken with the 300mm nikon f4 afs plus 1.7tc hand held ,on the run as i saw it coming and with the d7000 .thats the performance i,m after

 




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blackfox wrote: i base mine on using the d7000 ,300mm f4 ,1.7tc giving me a useable 500mm eric ,it works exceedingly well .however coupling it with the d300s i am noticing shortfalls in quality ,the 1.4 being the better option quality wise .so is this sensor based/or possibly iso or just the poor light at the moment .time will tell as i,m still learning the 300.
for instance i have always found that auto iso handles anything thrown at it on the 7000 but not that good on the 300 a fixed iso working better ,possibly i,m trying to push the camera/sensor further than it can reach .going to be a interesting winter though

Sure the 'lesser x' TCs are ok with primes. Its when you try to couple 2x Tcs with zooms you start to see the 'cracks'.

I had hoped to get a '160-400' range out of my 80-200AFS but it didnt come close to my 300 and 500 primes. Should have known better.



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Hmmm. According to NikonRumors the replacement camera to be announced this year is the D5200.
Seems like Nikon have forgotten how old the D300S is.



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jk wrote:
Hmmm. According to NikonRumors the replacement camera to be announced this year is the D5200.
Seems like Nikon have forgotten how old the D300S is.


Has anyone cropped the D800 images to DX size and compared them to the D300? I just wonder if the megapixels on the D800 (and maybe D4) obviate the need for a DX pro body? Sure it's nice to have a DX body alongside an FX body to have the best of both worlds. But for most situations the extra pixels of the latest FX bodies are superfluous unless you are doing mega size prints ....or cropping!



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Hi Eric

Me! I use DX crop (real in camera or in PP) with both the 800E and the D4. For me the only possible reason to use the DX format now is the light weight lenses.

This is an 800E shot with the 300 f4 and 1.7 TC. This combination is my walkaround for more than 5 km (with the V1 in the backpack for an efctive 800 with the 300). Shorter distances it is the 300 f 2.8 with TC 1.7 and staggering distance is the 400 f 2.8.

I kind of agree with you about the TC2 III but I do not know why. I hardly ever use it, but I have no real negative experience. And with the D4 there are no AF problems at f8. Maybe I need to make an effort.

BY the way, lovely shots of France in the other thread.

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hi ed do you think or know if the quality obtained by using your d800 in dx crop mode is better or is it the same as just using a dx cropped camera to start with such as the d7000 .
this is the point that bewilders me ,i know you get extra lens reach from your camera using dx mode ,but would the likes of myself that just does mainly long range wildlife gain anything by moving up a notch or should i stay with the d7000 .

 




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blackfox wrote: hi ed do you think or know if the quality obtained by using your d800 in dx crop mode is better or is it the same as just using a dx cropped camera to start with such as the d7000 .
this is the point that bewilders me ,i know you get extra lens reach from your camera using dx mode ,but would the likes of myself that just does mainly long range wildlife gain anything by moving up a notch or should i stay with the d7000 .


From my experience the D3 cropped to D300 size was as good, if not better.

I reasoned it was purely down to bigger pixels in the D3...as they both have 12mp.

But in the case of the D800 and D7000 there is a difference in pixel numbers that is likely to offset this advantage to some degree.

I bet the D4 and D7000 behave the same as the D3/D300 pair.







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Constable wrote: Hi Eric

Me! I use DX crop (real in camera or in PP) with both the 800E and the D4. For me the only possible reason to use the DX format now is the light weight lenses.

This is an 800E shot with the 300 f4 and 1.7 TC. This combination is my walkaround for more than 5 km (with the V1 in the backpack for an efctive 800 with the 300). Shorter distances it is the 300 f 2.8 with TC 1.7 and staggering distance is the 400 f 2.8.

I kind of agree with you about the TC2 III but I do not know why. I hardly ever use it, but I have no real negative experience. And with the D4 there are no AF problems at f8. Maybe I need to make an effort.

BY the way, lovely shots of France in the other thread.

Ed

Do I understand correctly from that, the V1 takes AFS lenses?

edit : AH  silly me...you use the FTadapter?



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The D4 cropped is very definitely better than the D7000 (but I disliked the D7000 so much that an etch-a-sletch would have been better).

I *feel* that the cropped D800 is better than the D7000.

I suspect that the real question is not whether you need to move DX --> FX but rather whether you have a broad range of subjects where both FX and DX bodies are predicated. If the answer is "yes", then an FX body used in crop mode when needed is the best solution.

Of course, that argument assumes that you are not taking a backup body with you !
Ed

 

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