This site requires new users to accept that a small amount of member data is captured and held in an attempt to reduce spammers and to manage users. This site also uses cookies to ensure ease of use. In order to comply with new DPR regulations you are required to agree/disagree with this process. If you do not agree then please email the Admins using info@nikondslr.uk after requesting a new account. Thank you.

 Moderated by: chrisbet, Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2  3  Next Page Last Page  
And so a Zf   -   Page   2
 Rate Topic 
AuthorPost



Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2023 14:04
 
11th Post
jk



Joined: Sun Apr 1st, 2012
Location: Carthew, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 6995
Status: 
Online
Eric,
I tend to look for supreme ergonomics these days.  This is one of the reasons why I would not move to Sony.

Before the release of the Zf, the XT5 and before that the XT3, suited me really well as these Fuji cameras ergonomics were really intuitive.  Yes there are difference and some sluggishness in the XT3 about focus lock and speed of acquisition of his lock.  The XT5 has largely cured that but it does still have issues if you want it to focus out to infinity e.g. point at sky and focus.  I just wont do it you need to find a horizon point and focus on that.
The Zf does not seem to suffer with this issue but it is heavier than the XT5 and the Nikon lenses are also bulkier and heavier for the same focal length range. Nikon 14-30, 24-120 f4 and 100-400mm versus Fuji 10-24, 16-80, 70-300mm.

As far as a travel kit goes I am no longer young and fit so I have decided that for my trip to Peru and hike up to Machu Picchu that I need a functional light camera kit.  The XT5 fulfills this need.  My preference for the Zf kit is overridden by the fact that its equivalence comes with x2 weight compared to the XT5 kit.

I feel that I compose fairly well but occasionally I do like to crop and image from within an image.   The extra MP provides this.  Also the XT5 has a panorama shooting feature which the Zf doesnt have.  Yes I know I can shoot multiple images from a tripod and post process combine but whilst this is preferable from a quality perspective.  However I think that the time taken for each panorama set will soon piss off the guides and fellow hikers as I drop further and further back during each day, whilst with the Fuji I can take a full pano in less than 20 seconds.   Also I dont fancy carrying a tripod up the severe inclines!

There seems to be little noise difference between the 40MP APS-C XT5 and the 26MP FF Zf especially in good light but I am sure that in low light the Nikon would be superior.



____________________
Still learning after all these years!
https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none
 




Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2023 23:29
 
12th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4583
Status: 
Offline
jk wrote:
Eric,
I tend to look for supreme ergonomics these days.  This is one of the reasons why I would not move to Sony.

Before the release of the Zf, the XT5 and before that the XT3, suited me really well as these Fuji cameras ergonomics were really intuitive.  Yes there are difference and some sluggishness in the XT3 about focus lock and speed of acquisition of his lock.  The XT5 has largely cured that but it does still have issues if you want it to focus out to infinity e.g. point at sky and focus.  I just wont do it you need to find a horizon point and focus on that.
The Zf does not seem to suffer with this issue but it is heavier than the XT5 and the Nikon lenses are also bulkier and heavier for the same focal length range. Nikon 14-30, 24-120 f4 and 100-400mm versus Fuji 10-24, 16-80, 70-300mm.

As far as a travel kit goes I am no longer young and fit so I have decided that for my trip to Peru and hike up to Machu Picchu that I need a functional light camera kit.  The XT5 fulfills this need.  My preference for the Zf kit is overridden by the fact that its equivalence comes with x2 weight compared to the XT5 kit.

I feel that I compose fairly well but occasionally I do like to crop and image from within an image.   The extra MP provides this.  Also the XT5 has a panorama shooting feature which the Zf doesnt have.  Yes I know I can shoot multiple images from a tripod and post process combine but whilst this is preferable from a quality perspective.  However I think that the time taken for each panorama set will soon piss off the guides and fellow hikers as I drop further and further back during each day, whilst with the Fuji I can take a full pano in less than 20 seconds.   Also I dont fancy carrying a tripod up the severe inclines!

There seems to be little noise difference between the 40MP APS-C XT5 and the 26MP FF Zf especially in good light but I am sure that in low light the Nikon would be superior.

Thx Jonathan
I’ve still got some Fuji bits and agree that they seem to have embraced the notion of lightweight mirrorless cameras AND lenses while other manufacturers flatter to deceive.

I don’t find the Sony unergonomic but the body and lenses are heavy. I am also a bit concerned about the A1 sensors performance in low light. It seems more noisey that previous cameras (Nikon and Fuji) making me work harder in the computer. It’s almost as though the 40MP even on FX work against you in low light. I looked back at my Sony A7 images with 24mp and somehow they seem less troubled with noise than the A1. (Granted the menu system was a nightmare) 


All this has caused me to switch away from the iPad and Affinity photo for processing to seek better results. 
Watch this space.

At the moment I am unconvinced that 40MP on this camera is a benefit rather than a potential hindrance. Don’t get me wrong, it’s capable of producing excellent sharp images, but not so cut and dry when there’s a need to crop high iso files.
In perfect lighting, any camera will do …..but in less favourable conditions I feel I am having to post process more with the Sony AI files than I did with the Sony A7 or Nikon 850.

I just miss the times when images out of the camera were good enough, except for a slight tweak of unsharp mask.:needsahug:



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Sun Dec 3rd, 2023 10:47
 
13th Post
Iain



Joined: Thu Apr 5th, 2012
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom
Posts: 1490
Status: 
Offline
I'm suprised Eric that you find the problems with the A1 in low light as I have found it to be excellent in low light and high iso. I can get cleaner shots with the A1 than I did with the Nikons.

 




Posted: Sun Dec 3rd, 2023 13:55
 
14th Post
jk



Joined: Sun Apr 1st, 2012
Location: Carthew, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 6995
Status: 
Online
Eric wrote:
Thx Jonathan
I’ve still got some Fuji bits and agree that they seem to have embraced the notion of lightweight mirrorless cameras AND lenses while other manufacturers flatter to deceive.


All this has caused me to switch away from the iPad and Affinity photo for processing to seek better results. 
Watch this space.

I just miss the times when images out of the camera were good enough, except for a slight tweak of unsharp mask.:needsahug:


Interested to know if you are going to get a laptop or desktop.  A laptop is very seductive but a desktop makes you focus in on the task and a larger screen is a winner.



____________________
Still learning after all these years!
https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none
 




Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2023 11:57
 
15th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4583
Status: 
Offline
Iain wrote:
I'm suprised Eric that you find the problems with the A1 in low light as I have found it to be excellent in low light and high iso. I can get cleaner shots with the A1 than I did with the Nikons.
Iain
What sort of ISO do you feel comfortable going up to with the A1? I find it’s ok up to say 4000. It may be the way Affinity handles the raws. I have made the shift back to Photoshop, but not yet reworked some of the recent noisey images (10000+) …...will look at that this week.

I would say it operates very well up to 3000 and of course if I only shoot in sunny weather (<1000) it’s perfect.

The issue is made worse when cropping, because the noise is also enlarged with the subject and somehow to my eye it becomes more obvious. Noise reduction tends to soften important detail. 

Again this may be a failing with Affinity. Though it’s fair to say that the Sony A7 worked well with it.



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2023 13:28
 
16th Post
Iain



Joined: Thu Apr 5th, 2012
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom
Posts: 1490
Status: 
Offline
Eric, I find that it goes through a phase between 4000-5000 where there is a bit more noise but over that it seems to be clearer, it may be that the in camera noise reduction cuts in then. I shoot jpegs.
I’ve used things that I have shot at 12800. I have topaz Denise as well but don’t have to use it very often.

 




Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2023 19:43
 
17th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4583
Status: 
Offline
Iain wrote:
Eric, I find that it goes through a phase between 4000-5000 where there is a bit more noise but over that it seems to be clearer, it may be that the in camera noise reduction cuts in then. I shoot jpegs.
I’ve used things that I have shot at 12800. I have topaz Denise as well but don’t have to use it very often.

Thx Iain
Will look into that.



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Tue Dec 5th, 2023 10:56
 
18th Post
jk



Joined: Sun Apr 1st, 2012
Location: Carthew, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 6995
Status: 
Online
I think that the Noise v ISO issue is more down to the RAW processing software than the ISO value itself.



____________________
Still learning after all these years!
https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none
 




Posted: Tue Dec 5th, 2023 12:49
 
19th Post
Eric



Joined: Wed Apr 18th, 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4583
Status: 
Offline
jk wrote:
I think that the Noise v ISO issue is more down to the RAW processing software than the ISO value itself.
I am sure you are right Jonathan. I’ve moved to the dark side completely now and going back over the recent high iso images with the right raw converter.



____________________
Eric
 




Posted: Thu Jan 4th, 2024 20:14
 
20th Post
Iain



Joined: Thu Apr 5th, 2012
Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom
Posts: 1490
Status: 
Offline
Have you found any different Eric.

 

Reply
1st new
This is topic ID = 1984     Current time is 08:23 Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2  3  Next Page Last Page    
Nikon DSLR Forums > Camera and Lens Forums > Cameras > And so a Zf Top

Users viewing this topic

Post quick reply

Go to top
Go to end
Messages
Home
Recent topics
Unread posts
Last posts
Splash

Current theme is Modern editor



A small amount of member data is captured and held in an attempt to reduce spammers and to manage users. This site also uses cookies to ensure ease of use. In order to comply with new DPR regulations you are required to agree/disagree with this process. If you do not agree then please email the Admins using info@nikondslr.uk Thank you.


Hosted by Octarine Services

UltraBB 1.173 Copyright © 2008-2025 Data 1 Systems
Page processed in 0.0629 seconds (67% database + 33% PHP). 87 queries executed.