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Posted: Wed Dec 22nd, 2021 10:57
 
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I have to say after chopping and changing between Canon, Fuji, Nikon (2) & Sony I have come to the conclusion there is no system that fits all.

What’s more, the only thing that sets one camera above another is …timing. 
Within 6 months of a new, industry leading innovation, the other brands catch up. The only thing I have yet to see is anyone catch up Fuji who have by far and away the lightest combination of cameras AND importantly lenses that are idea for general walk around photography.

During my journey I have come to the conclusion that when the light is good an FX crop will match and possibly* beat a DX straight image. (When cropped to same field of view). 

* megapixels and make dependant


If the light levels are low, requiring higher ISO, it’s my observation that cropping an FX image draws more attention to the correspondingly enlarged noise. Though the subject may be sharper, so is the noise.

I would therefore conclude that filling the frame with the longest glass, (incl a 1.4x teleconverter) and taking the DX 1.5x advantage is by far the best option for birding. Looking at Jeff’s superb wildlife images I also acknowledge that the Olympus 4/3 sensor and its 2x magnification also delivers.


I am not a fan of post capture processing (years of HAVING to do it). Being able to fill the frame and not apply noise reduction would always be my choice. Anything I can do to minimise computer work is my mantra.



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Eric wrote:
I have to say after chopping and changing between Canon, Fuji, Nikon (2) & Sony I have come to the conclusion there is no system that fits all.

What’s more, the only thing that sets one camera above another is …timing. 
Within 6 months of a new, industry leading innovation, the other brands catch up. The only thing I have yet to see is anyone catch up Fuji who have by far and away the lightest combination of cameras AND importantly lenses that are idea for general walk around photography.

During my journey I have come to the conclusion that when the light is good an FX crop will match and possibly* beat a DX straight image. (When cropped to same field of view). 

* megapixels and make dependant


If the light levels are low, requiring higher ISO, it’s my observation that cropping an FX image draws more attention to the correspondingly enlarged noise. Though the subject may be sharper, so is the noise.

I would therefore conclude that filling the frame with the longest glass, (incl a 1.4x teleconverter) and taking the DX 1.5x advantage is by far the best option for birding. Looking at Jeff’s superb wildlife images I also acknowledge that the Olympus 4/3 sensor and its 2x magnification also delivers.


I am not a fan of post capture processing (years of HAVING to do it). Being able to fill the frame and not apply noise reduction would always be my choice. Anything I can do to minimise computer work is my mantra.

That all sounds entirely reasonable. I have neither the space nor the money to have more than one complete system and that is now Nikon FX with a range of lenses. As it happens I have too many bodies, but that is easily remedied, and I would like a lens longer than 70-200 that may happen next year.

Mirrorless isn't going to happen simply because there is currently nothing that attracts me. The Z6 has the right resolution for me but I want the big battery of the Z9 in a suitable grip. Preferably Nikon would design grips that actually match the camera rather than looking like an afterthought, oh, hang on the grip was an afterthought! In five years time I might reassess the position but for now I am getting more sharp, usable, images than ever so I am happy. I'd still like to transition to D5s but the prices for good ones are still a bit too high.

 




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Well I am not here to preach to the unconverted or the converted but I would never go back to film.  The process is just too toxic and doesnt give me anything apart from loss of control of the process.

I find that moving back to a DSLR to be quite a challenge as I use the EVF on my mirrorless cameras as a method of assessing exposure. 
These days I seldom do more than change ISO and aperture, as I shoot Aperture priority, so I get the EVF to vaguely match what I want to capture as my end result. When I shoot manual exposure then I do use the numbers in the viewfinder to assess bit that is less often these days. 

So when does a DSLR win for me. 
It wins where the light is very poor and the EVF of a mirrorless camera magnifies the latent noise so it is  producing a distracting viewfinder image.  Modern/newer than last 2 years EVF are better than older ones but still not perfect.
The DSLR definitely wins when shooting against the light which I like to do so I still find my D850 and D600 have utility.

At the end it is a tool whether you use it to push nails into wood, then it is a hammer, or to capture an image on a sensor to then allow you to manipulate or not as is your choice.



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For those who desired it and have got their name on the list early then the Z9 should be available for collection today (December 23rd) or tomorrow.

The manuals are available now for download.
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/589/Z_9.html



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Posted: Thu Dec 23rd, 2021 19:31
 
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Interesting to note that batteries that have a life indication of 4 cannot be charged, I know EN-EL4 and 4a batteries can still be charged so this is a significant change. Of course it may be that using a MH26 or MH26a will allow them to be charged. the instructions say that the EN-EL18d cannot be charged with the MH26/a but third party batteries with the same 3300mAh capacity have been available for some time for use in the D4/5/6 so one has to wonder what Nikon have been doing to the new battery.

The menus are not hugely different from those of the later top end DSLRs, anyone with experience of one of those should have no trouble adapting to the Z9.

 




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To me it is Not only about that EVF, I looked tru a compact FUJI that had an Optical finder and an EVF that could be flipped-in , its EVF was better than the optical finder prompting me to note that it was the optical that was bad,..talk about an afterthought,like those wire-frame finders, like, ah yea,you also want to kinda know what it is that you`re taking a photo off,use this then..the SLR has always been the optimum finder for me, as I can see what the Photo will look like,...the Z camera`s can be smaller and less weighty, but really ??..is that so..I`m thinking about modern Wide-Angles,..Them ar HUGE !!..and for a good reason, which is the Sensor, which does Not take kindly to a steep incidence, notice how Long modern wides are..them are really Long..Compared my IRIX 11 f4.0 to my Nikkor 20f2.8 ai-s...the IRIX is practically Three times as long and more than twice as heavy ...in the Old days , the Shorter foc.Length was..the Shorter the lens became..not so now..oh no..they`ve  become longer even..and that because the sensor can not handle a steep incidence,so make the incidence narrower,causing the lens to become longer..now the Z camera becomes smaller,yet with wide-angles getting longer/bigger..and having to stay just as far from that Z-sensor as with the SLR...then what`s the point ??



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Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 07:43
 
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I have now ordered a Z 9. No idea when I'm likely to receive it, but I'm hoping it will be by the end of January, although there was no mention which year. :-)

I'm still in two minds about the 100-400mm lens. I've still got my 500 pf and I've also ordered the FTZ II adapter. I also have a Z 1.4TC which only works with the 70-200 and 100-400, neither of which I have. It would have been nice if it was compatible with the 105mm macro then I could've got some use out of it while considering my next move.

The Z fc with the 500pf is still going strong, and I know losing the additional focal length moving to FF is going to take some getting used to.

One snap from this morning with the Z fc and 500pf

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Posted: Thu Dec 30th, 2021 16:37
 
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Fine image Richard.
I am hoping there is a Z8 so almost all the features of the Z9 but without the mega burst rate but more than the Z7 even though the Z7 still works well for me.
Just got a 14-30mm f4 S line lens so I am well set for my landscapes.



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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2022 20:36
 
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Rumours starting to bubble about the Z8.
It will be a Z9-lite.


Z9 next batch coming next week.  So it seems that supply issues are easing but not gone!



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Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2022 15:05
 
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The Z8 will have too many pixels for me, I'm looking for a Z6 with Z9 type tracking.

 

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