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| Posted: Sat Oct 30th, 2021 12:40 |
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This camera is as big a leap forward as the D2X to the D3 or D3S. I am sorry but the D4, D5, D6 are inch pebbles up from the D3S, but this is a whole 36" paving slab. This is not a camera for everyone but it is a significant milestone. It is streets ahead in technology terms compared to any previous Nikon but so it should be. Until a real use or hands on is available, I will be in awe, but not to the wallet opening extent I have been in the past. This camera is not for me even though it is smaller (149 x 150 x 91mm) than my D3S (160 x 157 x 88 mm). We all need to be aware that personal needs and preferences should rule each person's camera choice not what is new or latest. As GeoffR says the D4 suits him perfectly. That is great. If my D3S had a 33MP or 45MP sensor then I would still be using it in preference to the D800 or D850 but 12MP is not great for the work I was doing when you need to crop. The Z7(ii) is a different beast and I like it but it isnt as great at AF as the Nikon Z9 or the Sony A1 or the Canon R3/5. I have been through all the testing that I want to do for Canon v Nikon v Sony v Fuji. The Sony menus annoy me. The Canon twirly wheel is a complete PITA. The Nikon menus and controls work for me. The Fuji cameras are wonderfully featured but arent as performant as my Z7 or D850 as I would like them to be but I think the XT3 ergonomically is better than any Nikon. These are my personal preferences and thoughts. I am sure that Sony and Canon users will love their cameras but they dont suit me. I am still vacillating with one foot in the Fuji camp and one in the Nikon camp. I need to make a final choice decision before I move one way or other. I want something that is a D700 compared to a D3S version of this Z9, or a Zfc but FF. Maybe the Z8 will be more what I want but does it exist. I could use the term Zf but as a Df as one already exists and I didnt like how Nikon made the dials, it was just clunky! The Zfc is a mature version of the Df, but I want FF, not APS-C. For APS-C the Fuji cameras (XT3 and XH1) suit me better. There is an XH2 coming out in 2022 and it will be 43MP depending on its AF performance it will be my next camera or the D8
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30th, 2021 16:12 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:This camera is as big a leap forward as the D2X to the D3 or D3S. Have you tried the Sony A1 yet?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30th, 2021 16:41 |
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Eric
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The mirrorless revolution is all about manufacturers saving money. Of course they stick on new features then spin them into benefits to match some of the things users have said they 'might' like. Lighter bodies Quieter shutters Wider/faster tracking focus Better video performance (viewfinder and focus) Faster burst rates Real-time image viewing I could go on but the the truth is many of these are aimed at specialist photographic applications. If you have no need for these things, then mirrorless is an expensive distraction.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31st, 2021 06:38 |
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jk
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I agree with what you are saying but unfortunately many people are not very analytical and rely on marketing spin to hook them on a product. I am very resistant to moving from Nikon to any other make and as such the Fuji kit I have I view as an experiment. If it works and is positive then I will get rid of the Nikon kit but that will be an 'in extremis' moment. I love the Nikon menus and button layout it is more understandable than the Fuji stuff which keeps changing between models. The lenses in the new S line for Z cameras are really very little different to the old F mount system lenses. Nikon will try and say there is but the optical performance is very similar between equivalent lenses. I am very happy to use the FTZ adapter on my Z camera with the F mount lenses that are AFS. Ultimately if film suits you better then use film, if F mount cameras are best for you then that is not a debate but some insist that the Z range cameras are a must. I dont agree that Z cameras is the be all, and end all. I dont intend to get another Z camera unless it is exactly what I need. Since my needs change as they have in the last few years I feel that I constantly need to (re)assess my cameras and my needs to see if what I have is what I need. I could probably move to the Sony system with little pain except with the menus. The old Sony menus were almost unusable but the new ones are still poor (IMHO) but the current cameras themselves are pretty much perfect in operation. Unfortunately I am well invested in two alternative systems. If you look at the photographers in niches then what you say is borne out. In the past it was just Canon or Nikon and it was used across all scenarios. Now Sony and others have levered themself into position. But Nikon still seem to have a bigger share in news photography but Canon seem to have capture the sport and wildlife niches but Sony have managed to get in there and seem to be capturing a lot of video/stills areas from sport, news and reportage. The market seems more fluid and less entrenched.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31st, 2021 12:33 |
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jk
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I think this article sums it up. https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/6960525493/nikon-z9-launch-what-nikon-means-by-a-d3-moment-and-why-they-need-one "But while Nikon has been knocked down a few times of late, the Z9 shows that it's emphatically not out. And if, for its next trick, Nikon can pull off a D700 moment... well, wouldn't that be something?" A Z8 which is a Z7 sized body with almost all the features of the Z9 would be a real winner! Yes I would pay £3600 for it.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31st, 2021 19:36 |
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Eric
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When the D3 came out I recall saying that Nikon had released a model destined for a couple of years in the future to try to capture back the market lost to Canon. It was SO much better than anything they or their competitors had to offer it really did feel like a breath of fresh air. Ever since that time I have always regarded Nikon with a degree of suspicion. They do seem to hold back in reserve something special until they need to use it. It's a very reactive as opposed to proactive approach which gives the impression of a company sitting on its creative assets rather than getting them out there and really getting back to leading as opposed to following. They will never get back the top spot with this sort of knee jerk me-too marketing. That said, would I have gone for a Z9 if I was still equipped with Nikon gear? No. Because, as a Geoff said, a D4,5,6 would be more than acceptable and a lot cheaper, and no heavier it seems. I've very quickly adjusted to Sony Menus. It's their terminology/language that takes a bit of getting used to. Having learnt what the body can do.and interpreted Sony's terminology ..it's merely a matter of sticking the adjustments for those function YOU intend to use, onto My Menu. The fn buttons strewn around the bodies are eminently configurable to give direct access to any of the operations. My cameras would require a complete reset for anyone to try to figure out what does what.nothing to do with Sony menus, just my customisation.😉
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| Posted: Mon Nov 1st, 2021 03:43 |
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jk
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It was the D700. A D3 but a small form factor. I expect exactly the same repeat with the Z8 following the Z9. D6 is more expensive than Z9. Manufacturing costs are higher but functionality is less. I think that a move to Sony now for me is unlikely, same as now that you and Graham have moved all your kit to Sony I dont think that it is sensible or rational to jump back to Nikon. These are tools not toys or jewelry! Personally I find mirrorless to be where I want to be. I always thought liveview on the DSLR was a horrible kludge. Mirrorless v DSLR is like Digital v Film. Nostalgia clouds rationaity!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 1st, 2021 04:11 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:It was the D700. A D3 but a small form factor. I expect exactly the same repeat with the Z8 following the Z9. Undoubtedly once you move to the 'right mirrorless camera for your needs' there is no real incentive to move back to a DSLR. There are few real disadvantages but some useful advantages with mirrorless. Just on the 'D3 moment'. I don't actually see this as a D3 moment. They haven't brought out something that wipes the floor with the competition as they did back then. They have merely caught up. It remains to be seen how many professional and serious amateurs will be encouraged to make the change from DSLR. The differences and 'testing the water' with mirrorless are likely to be easier to contemplate when the price tag isn't £6k.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 1st, 2021 06:53 |
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I really want to like the Z9 but I can't because it doesn't deliver the, heavily plugged, advantages of mirrorless. Sure it benefits from the removal of the mirror in vibration terms but, crucially for me, it isn't any lighter than the D4 bodies I already have. An extra 160g per body is significant and, if I use my current lenses, another 100+g for FTZ II adaptors means I would be carrying an extra 500g. The other advantages just don't do anything for me, though I accept that for others they may be make or break. What annoys me most however is the attitude of some in the photographic press who are so convinced of the advantages that they fail to see why anyone wouldn't want them. A rational approach would compare like for like, something that hasn't been possible until now because professional mirrorless bodies from Canon and Nikon have only recently become available. Eric's list of user "wants" is an interesting basis for such a comparison, my comments in Blue. Lighter bodies: Yes something I would like but the available body doesn't deliver. Quieter shutters: Not really a problem but if it is there then I won't complain. Wider/faster tracking focus: I haven't encountered a need for better tracking with the lenses I have. May be I should spend a small proportion of price of a Z9 on a longer lens. Better video performance (viewfinder and focus): I don't do video. Faster burst rates: I never use continuous shutter release so it doesn't apply. Real-time image viewing: I am not sure how much of an advantage that is, I have it on my 1J5 but I have managed without for nearly 50 years So I have to agree with him that for me, and I suspect many another amateur, mirrorless is a distraction.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 1st, 2021 08:42 |
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chrisbet
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As a rank amateur, I have no need for anything other than my D610 - I have invested in good lenses to go with it, but for the VAST majority of the images and videos I capture, the smartphone is a much more useful tool - image quality on the latest phones is more than good enough with resolutions up to 108 megapixels. Video is also much easier as you can see the framing easily on the screen as long as you are not in very bright sunlight. So the Z series, or Sony, Canon or Fuji alternatives have no interest to me and, I suspect, the vast majority of people who take images for pleasure.
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