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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 12:11 |
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jk
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I use Nikon lenses almost exclusively. Modern Nikon lenses seem to be pretty contrasty.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 13:27 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:I use Nikon lenses almost exclusively. Modern Nikon lenses seem to be pretty contrasty. So do I but I wonder what these people claiming extended range use...and their methodology? Anyway, I think more than 10 stops is a waste. Didnt have it before and never missed it. 
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 13:36 |
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jk
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You say that but the current work around is to use HDR. IMHO HDR is a technique which can give great or horrible results and all the spectrum in between the good and bad. I think that getting a sensor with a 15 stop capture range would enable for better photography rather than gaudy disasters.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 16:24 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:You say that but the current work around is to use HDR. I am not sure a straight 15 stop range would generate the same 'dynamism' as HDR. I agree it can be overdone but I suspect it's the actual overcooking of the HDR process that makes the images more interesting. Not sure just expanding the dynamic range of the sensor would achieve the same excitement?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2020 04:39 |
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The D850 may well be a great camera but, for me, the file size is just too big. I'm not going to change to shooting JPEGs just to get a manageable file size. HDR, done well can be almost as undetectable as the original but done badly... yes it is a work around for dynamic range limitations but how much dynamic range do you actually need? I'm not sure of the range of the human eye but much beyond that will start to look unnatural. There are effects in photography that have been over used and can turn the average viewer off them, milky waterfalls for example, great once, OKish a couple of times but when every published image of a waterfall does it I want to turn the page. HDR is much the same, well done you may only suspect it has been done but the gap between that and overdone is small. A bit like compression in audio, if you can detect it, it is too much. I have to agree that a 25MP to 30MP D500 would be a winner, a DX body that is clearly ahead of the field, but it would need the high ISO performance of current lesser cameras. To support it Nikon would need to update the venerable 17-55 f2.8; a change to 16-55 f2.8 VR would be good, though a 16-70 f2.8 VR would be even better, if expensive. It would also close the gap between the DX standard zoom and the 70-200 f2.8. Nikon have neglected the DX range when it comes to high performance zoom lenses and that needs to be addressed. A DX lens equivalent to the 14-24 f2.8 would be good too. I have yet to try a Z series camera, I already know that it is too small for comfort where I am concerned so I have little incentive despite the reported performance.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2020 05:14 |
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jk
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Human eye dynamic range is 20 stops or 1,000,00:1. Good LED panels can have a dynamic range of 10 stops or 1000-2000:1 This is similar for EVFs apparently. Ability to print is even worse than LED screens with a dynamic range of 6 stops or 64-128:1 So looking at prints tends to be more pleasurable but less discerning! This is not what people tend to consider to be the case when they are doing assessments. HDR is a technique so it is a human driven process that is dependent on the human eye, monitor and aesthetic abilities. Post processing in general follows this as well but HDR are seems to bring out the horrors of excesses! Regarding MP in cameras. I have purchased and love the Z7, D850, D800, D500, D600, D3S, D3, D700, D300, D2X, D1X, D1. I also had a D200, D100, D90 and D80, D70. The D200 was a fairly good camera but not up to snuff when compared with D3 and D700. The D100 was not a great camera (IMHO). The D90 was/is a pretty good as I still have it, and similarly the D80. The D70 is a good little camera but the horribly small TFT screen on the back (not bad for its time) is a limitation. My perfect camera would be a 30MP D3S with a lighter option of a D800. The D850 as you say has too many MPs for general use but it is a brilliant camera with much better features than any of the other cameras I own or have owned. If you want to be able to shoot and crop then it is perfect. If you work carefully and slowly then in truth a 25-30MP will give you more than enough. I find the D500 to be a stupendous camera for fast action and birds in flight but if you start to crop then the image seems to go noisy very quickly! I use my D600 for general stuff but in truth I choose the Fujis cameras with better/similar IQ and similar 24MP. The latest XT3 and now XT4 are now on a par with Nikon D800 for AF performance. I actually prefer the control layout of the XT3 to any other camera I have had except the Nikon F3. The Z series is brilliant and the Z7 has all the features of the D850 and more. There is a 'but' though, for me the mount jump (from F mount to S mount) is a complete distraction and has been driven (IMHO) by lens designers looking for a job, rather than consumer need or desire. I understand the design opportunities and flange distance in the Z series is less than the DSLRs but a metal ring is cheaper than all the changes to move to a S mount set of lenses. BTW: I understand the idea that manufacturers need to increase profits and consumerism to feed the greedy shareholders. I dont espouse these beliefs!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2020 07:27 |
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GeoffR
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jk wrote:Human eye dynamic range is 20 stops or 1,000,00:1. Interesting and informative. jk wrote: The Z series is brilliant and the Z7 has all the features of the D850 and more. There is a 'but' though, for me the mount jump (from F mount to S mount) is a complete distraction and has been driven (IMHO) by lens designers looking for a job, rather than consumer need or desire. I understand the design opportunities and flange distance in the Z series is less than the DSLRs but a metal ring is cheaper than all the changes to move to a S mount set of lenses. As I said, physically too small for me, but I think Nikon could have done better with the FTZ adaptor, it doesn't need a tripod socket, which is unusable with the comical grip, a simple tube would have been better and much cheaper all round.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2020 09:24 |
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Eric
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With regard to the file size of the D850....yes it is ott, but in a considerable number of recent situations the need to crop soon thinned down final file size. Moreover, I find I am more able to discern imperfections (with the finer detail) while in the camera. As a result the number of images I actually transfer and keep are less....reducing storage size. Using an iPad for processing there is no slow up in processing except when reading/transferring the files over the WiFi to the iPad. I find it manageable at the moment but in the future if I have more images to process I may be agreeing with you on unnecessary file size.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2020 13:34 |
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jk
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Eric, do you have an iPad Pro? Is it gen1 (lightning) or gen2 (usb-c) for its power connection? If it is gen2 then you can use a usb-c to usb-a cable adapter to download to ipad. So all you need is the cable that came with the camera one of these little adapters. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1pcs-Micro-USB-Female-to-Type-C-Male-Converter-USB-C-Adapter-Converter-Adaptor/254478048897? My ipad is unfortunately an ipad Pro gen1 so I cant test but it does work apparently. Direct connection is faster than wifi.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2020 13:43 |
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jk
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GeoffR wrote:Interesting and informative. The FTZ needs reworking to allow slow AF to the camera for AF and AFD lenses. Apparently Nikon just need to put a 'screwdriver motor' into the FTZ and change the F mount flange to one with the screwdriver AF interface. Power comes from the camera battery same as in the older camera bodies! Camera purchase choices are driven by personal preferences as well as camera specifications so that is fine. 
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