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Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2018 17:36
 
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Regarding the use of AF v MF, in my opinion the best way to macro is to set it to MF and the with Peak Focusing (Red highlight) move the focus or your whole rig in and out until the area of desired sharp focus is red highlighted. This is impossible with a DSLR as you need to see the viewfinder image sharply with no other visual aids. Great shame that there are no split image or fresnel focus screens with the out of focus = shimmet, in focus = clear image.



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Have you put the D850 up for sale yet, Jonathan?;-)



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Not going to happen! Nor the D500.
D600, D3S, D700, .......if you want.



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jk wrote:
Not going to happen! Nor the D500.
D600, D3S, D700, .......if you want.


Wasn't in the market ...just trying to get you to choose between the Z7 and D850;-)



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My guess is it isn't an easy choice, they aren't the same tools.

Seems more of a matter of having the right cameras and lenses for the subjects intended.

Decide on the subjects and the rest should follow.



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Robert wrote: My guess is it isn't an easy choice, they aren't the same tools. Seems more of a matter of having the right cameras and lenses for the subjects intended.Decide on the subjects and the rest should follow.

Yes exactly that. Both are best but in different situations.

The lenses irk me as I have all the F mount lenses I want/need but I can see the Z lenses are going to be better.
I also need to remove the AFD lenses and upgrade to AFS for specific items.However in reality these are very limited.  Really only the 85mm f1.4 AFD and Nikon 105mm f1.8 AiS (MF).


There is a Z lens coming in 2019 that I might go for 85mm f1.8 and a 14-30mm f4, also a 24-70mm f2.8 (replace the f4 lens that came with the camera) but seems like money poorly spent for an extra stop.Nothing else tempts in the current roadmap. 


The alternative would be to upgrade the 85mm f1.4 AFD to an AFS version in F mount.



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Robert wrote:
My guess is it isn't an easy choice, they aren't the same tools.

Seems more of a matter of having the right cameras and lenses for the subjects intended.

Decide on the subjects and the rest should follow.


Not sure Nikon would agree with that.
They haven't build a full frame camera you cannot use on action photography, for example.

Not many Nikon DSLR customers would equip themselves with different cameras for different subjects ...that's what the lenses are for.

Surely the main object of every camera is to get sharp images in a range of situations that you encounter?

Can't believe you are suggesting people need to buy 2 or more multifunctional expensive camera bodies if they have a variety of interests.

And I am sure Nikon would be horrified that their new £3500 camera is regarded as unsuitable for large areas of photography
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Perception is everything.
What I see as green with pink stripes, you may see as pink with green stripes!

From my perspective having used film SLR, DSLR, mirrorless Fuji, mirrorless Nikon there is a difference.
If I am wanting to be limited then I use poor tools and then try to get round it later.

IMHO.
If you have as your main speciality of BIF, action and sports then buy a D500.
If it is landscape, product shots, fashion, publicity and advertising get a D850
If it is studio portraits, product shots, travel, landscape, street, general walkabout then get Z7/Z6.
If you want to do everything, get a D850/D810.

Compromise is a dirty word if you are a specialist or have a specialism that requires a specific specification be it fast AF, EVF, etc....

My biggest gripe with the Z7 is the fact that they changed the lens mount. Not really an issue with the FTZ adapter.
The Z series lenses need to be expanded as fast as possible.

My biggest love in the Z7 is the FX/DX mode, EVF that shows my real exposure.

Functionality wise on the Z7 there are some niggles which may be me but I need confirmation from Nikon Tech that I am not doing something wrong.
For example:
I want U1 to be AF-S single spot, matrix metering, Single frame shooting.
I want U2 to be set up for HDR set of RAW exposures (The Nikon mode of HDR forces you to use JPG), so I want same as above but with 5frame AE bracket, shot in a burst of 5 shots so I need camera set to CL, 5 frame burst, AE bkt 5. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. Or it doesnt work for me as I need to change the single shot to CL independently. Grrrrrrr!



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Eric wrote:


Not sure Nikon would agree with that.

o.O


That is exactly what Nikon do, they make cameras which are targeted at specialised usage areas. They even say so in their brochures, "perfect for sport" or "Ideal for the catwalk", "specially for Astro" etc.

D5 for press and top end general photography, D500 for speed and long lens, nature etc. D810a for UV, IR and astronomy, D850 for ultra high resolution allowing either cropping or very large prints, fashion.

And so on. No one camera it perfect in every situation. Some demand speed some demand High res.

I haven't even mentioned video, while I know that's controversial, many professionals DO use DSLR's for video and some are designed to excel at video, the D850 for example.

A feature which is an asset in one area of photography can be a liability in others.

Probably the strongest example from the current/recent lineup is the D810a.

A screenshot of their 810a brochure...

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Good point Robert.
Nikon like Pentax/Ricoh and Olympus are not camera companies they are optical instrument manufacturers.
Nikon and Olympus make superb microscopes, as well as cameras. Olympus cameras are great as are the lenses but for me the sensor (4/3) is too small.



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