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Posted: Sun Oct 14th, 2018 05:20
 
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OK this is a placeholder for my next set of posts about the testing of my Z7 and 24-70 f4 lens.

1. Huge wind-up is the 24-70mm lens. It is the fact you have to twist it to make it extend to use it. This really annoys me. My Fuji X30 has this feature for compactness but I accept it in a tiny camera. Hate it in a FF camera. This lens will go asap or as soon as the pro version comes out next year!

2. The 24-70 is very sharp. Even wide open. OK so it does have some poitives.

3. Battery lasts but you need the EN-EH15b really. 200+ images and the battery read 3/4. Need to go test further. It may be lasting well as I was shooting HDR and 5 image sets. I need to test shoot to exhaustion of the battery. Allin good time. You can recharge the camera battery in camera via the USB-C cable.

4. The camera is very customisable.

5. Some of the control selection combos are different to previous Nikons. Get over it as it is a new and different camera.

6. The camera is lighter than the D850 but not as light as my XT2. Just a fact. It is solidly built so not an issue unless you want extreme lightness in which case get a smartphone with a decent camera.

7. I want more Z lenses.

8. I really must test the F2Z adapter but it seems to be great in that the lens performs exactly as on a standard DSLR.

9. Need to test the flash system. My Godox AD600 and AD360 with wireless controller will be a great testbed. I also have my SB800 set with me so I can definitely get HSS (high speed sync) or FP in Nikon parlance. I prefer the Godox setup though.

10. My Mac seems to be a bit spasmodic about seeing the Z7 when it is USB connected. The Z7 has the new USB-C connector. Need to get a longer cable as Nikon supply only a 1m cable.

11. I wont be using Adobe products for my RAW conversions due to the company strategy on perpetual licenses. I use CaptureOne Pro so I await an update with Z7 support but other RAW converters such as Lightzone, PhotoNinja v1.3.7, Nikon NX-D all work fine. Some are faster than others.
Results are important. I did some rough weather coastal HDR shots yesterday. Need to reduce file size so I can post here. I dont do gaudy HDR, I prefer a more natural look with wider dynamic range that is probably lost on screen!

12. There are three U settings slots. Nice.

13. Images are great and sharp.

14. Battery clones do NOT work. Well not for the EN-EH15 units I have.
These clones do work in my V1 and some on my D600, D800, D850. But the D850 is also picky!



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Thanks for that JK, one of the principle things I want to know is whether the viewfinder does magnify the image if required and if it does, how is it actuated. This would be the first thing I would check out if or when I get my mitts on one.

I realise the rear screen magnifies but I have heard mentioned 'in passing' about viewfinder magnification. I have looked in the user manual but can't find reference to it.



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Robert wrote:
Thanks for that JK, one of the principle things I want to know is whether the viewfinder does magnify the image if required and if it does, how is it actuated. This would be the first thing I would check out if or when I get my mitts on one.

I realise the rear screen magnifies but I have heard mentioned 'in passing' about viewfinder magnification. I have looked in the user manual but can't find reference to it.


The LUMIX has a function that magnifies an area round the focus point. Personally I think it's a waste because it just zooms in on the sensor image and as a consequence the inherant relative coa**eness of the viewscreen is merely amplified rendering the enlarged area...less clear!o.O



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jk wrote:
OK this is a placeholder for my next set of posts about the testing of my Z7 and 24-70 f4 lens.

1. Huge wind-up is the 24-70mm lens. It is the fact you have to twist it to make it extend to use it. This really annoys me. My Fuji X30 has this feature for compactness but I accept it in a tiny camera. Hate it in a FF camera. This lens will go asap or as soon as the pro version comes out next year!

2. The 24-70 is very sharp. Even wide open. OK so it does have some poitives.

3. Battery lasts but you need the EN-EH15b really. 200+ images and the battery read 3/4. Need to go test further. It may be lasting well as I was shooting HDR and 5 image sets. I need to test shoot to exhaustion of the battery. Allin good time. You can recharge the camera battery in camera via the USB-C cable.

4. The camera is very customisable.

5. Some of the control selection combos are different to previous Nikons. Get over it as it is a new and different camera.

6. The camera is lighter than the D850 but not as light as my XT2. Just a fact. It is solidly built so not an issue unless you want extreme lightness in which case get a smartphone with a decent camera.

7. I want more Z lenses.

8. I really must test the F2Z adapter but it seems to be great in that the lens performs exactly as on a standard DSLR.

9. Need to test the flash system. My Godox AD600 and AD360 with wireless controller will be a great testbed. I also have my SB800 set with me so I can definitely get HSS (high speed sync) or FP in Nikon parlance. I prefer the Godox setup though.

10. My Mac seems to be a bit spasmodic about seeing the Z7 when it is USB connected. The Z7 has the new USB-C connector. Need to get a longer cable as Nikon supply only a 1m cable.

11. I wont be using Adobe products for my RAW conversions due to the company strategy on perpetual licenses. I use CaptureOne Pro so I await an update with Z7 support but other RAW converters such as Lightzone, PhotoNinja v1.3.7, Nikon NX-D all work fine. Some are faster than others.
Results are important. I did some rough weather coastal HDR shots yesterday. Need to reduce file size so I can post here. I dont do gaudy HDR, I prefer a more natural look with wider dynamic range that is probably lost on screen!

12. There are three U settings slots. Nice.

13. Images are great and sharp.

14. Battery clones do NOT work. Well not for the EN-EH15 units I have.
These clones do work in my V1 and some on my D600, D800, D850. But the D850 is also picky!


Jonathan....can you set the AF-On button under the thumb to JUST do focusing and take that function off the shutter button?



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Eric wrote:
The LUMIX has a function that magnifies an area round the focus point. Personally I think it's a waste because it just zooms in on the sensor image and as a consequence the inherant relative coa**eness of the viewscreen is merely amplified rendering the enlarged area...less clear!o.O

No, No, no! That would be silly, for the reason you mention.

I mean the same type of magnification which you get on the rear screen! Digital zoom.

To me that would be sensible and invaluable to check focus before an exposure. After all the 'viewfinder' is really a second, very small, rear screen viewed via a pentaprism, with a little magnification/diopter correction.

The alternative in many cases is to make a trial exposure to check focus, zoom in on the required detail on the rear screen and adjust accordingly. I appreciate the screens can't be examined with a magnifier glass (loupe) but there seems to me there is no reason why the image can't be zoomed electronically right up to 1:1 pixel for pixel.



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Eric wrote:
The LUMIX has a function that magnifies an area round the focus point. Personally I think it's a waste because it just zooms in on the sensor image and as a consequence the inherant relative coa**eness of the viewscreen is merely amplified rendering the enlarged area...less clear!o.O

No, No, no! That would be silly, for the reason you mention.

I mean the same type of magnification which you get on the rear screen! Digital zoom.



To me that would be sensible and invaluable to check focus before an exposure. After all the 'viewfinder' is really a second, very small, rear screen viewed via a pentaprism, with a little magnification/diopter correction.

The alternative in many cases is to make a trial exposure to check focus, zoom in on the required detail on the rear screen and adjust accordingly. I appreciate the screens can't be examined with a magnifier glass (loupe) but there seems to me there is no reason why the image can't be zoomed electronically right up to 1:1 pixel for pixel.


But surely it relies on the resolution of the viewscreen? Is that better, as good as, or worse than the rear screen?

I thought one of the key advantages of mirrorless was its ability to more precisely acquire focus with its af system. You may not need to zoom in and check it.o.O



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AF???

How do you AF a 105mm f4 micro Nikkor? o.O AF a waste of space (literally) for photographing plowers. I need choose which bit is in focus, or not and by how much.

My fisheye, despite having a huge DoF still needs careful focusing at infinity to get really sharp stars. AF don't work too well in the dark with tiny specs of light. It's a pain when I get home and find the stars are not sharp.

This would be one of the main reasons I might be interested in a Z.

If you zoom the image, the pixels in the viewing screen stay the same, you just multiply the image in exactly the same way as you do the back screen to check focus in live view. I don't do that because of reflections and the need for a loupe, the viewfinder does that for you, no reflections and built in Loupe, provided it can zoom in.

I have read that it does, but no detail. Even Michael Earlwine has mentioned it, in passing, without elaborating.

The moment I get my hands on one I will want to check that out.

I am currently doing a time-lapse, since 2nd September, an exposure every ten minutes. As the plant grows I have to move the camera or pot, or both! Then I have to re-focus, live view on the D300 doesn't zoom in as much as I need, so I have to take a series of test shots to narrow in the focus on the bit I want. Also the plant moves about, back and forth, and sideways, plays havoc with my careful focus! LOL Naughty plant. Possible advantage we get to see better detail in different parts of the buds and leaves.



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AF???

How do you AF a 105mm f4 micro Nikkor? o.O AF a waste of space (literally) for photographing plowers. I need choose which bit is in focus, or not and by how much.

My fisheye, despite having a huge DoF still needs careful focusing at infinity to get really sharp stars. AF don't work too well in the dark with tiny specs of light. It's a pain when I get home and find the stars are not sharp.

This would be one of the main reasons I might be interested in a Z.

If you zoom the image, the pixels in the viewing screen stay the same, you just multiply the image in exactly the same way as you do the back screen to check focus in live view. I don't do that because of reflections and the need for a loupe, the viewfinder does that for you, no reflections and built in Loupe, provided it can zoom in.

I have read that it does, but no detail. Even Michael Earlwine has mentioned it, in passing, without elaborating.

The moment I get my hands on one I will want to check that out.

I am currently doing a time-lapse, since 2nd September, an exposure every ten minutes. As the plant grows I have to move the camera or pot, or both! Then I have to re-focus, live view on the D300 doesn't zoom in as much as I need, so I have to take a series of test shots to narrow in the focus on the bit I want. Also the plant moves about, back and forth, and sideways, plays havoc with my careful focus! LOL Naughty plant. Possible advantage we get to see better detail in different parts of the buds and leaves.


The Z series has focus stacking to sort that.:thumbs:



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Only with AF Lenses :thumbsdown:

I intend to build a proper focus stacking rig with a stepping motor eventually. ;-)

When I have time...

I cold really do with focus stacking for this time-lapse movie, but that would be a LOT of images. At the moment I have a lot of images of a Bay tree growing new shoots, 5761... if I stacked 4 images per frame that would be 23,044 imagesI guess 10 minute intervals is a bit much but sometimes it moves quite quickly. Seem to rest, then have a spurt of active growing.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack JK's thread.



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Yes the AF/ON button is programmed just like on the DSLR.



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