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Posted: Fri May 25th, 2018 07:47
 
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novicius wrote:
Nikon has already a mirrorless system camera of rather good quality, so will that new camera replace the Mighty Big D camera`s ?

Interesting thought.
One of my critiques of mirrorless is the wholesale abandonment of the ergonomic camera body design, which has evolved over years and is now so familiar in the hand. Struggling with crude shaped bodies is an additional unwanted distraction ...when you are already getting to grips with mirrorless cameras other shortcomings.:thumbsdown:

I would be more interested in a Nikon mirrorless if it felt like a D750 in the hand.:thumbs:



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jk wrote:
I would expect Nikon to reuse the battery from the V1/D800/D810/D850 to provide good power capacity for a new mirrorless.

Rumours state that the new camera will come with a Z mount and also a F to Z mount adapter.
https://nikonrumors.com/tag/nikon-z-mount/

This is reduce the need for Nikon to release a huge tranche of new lenses.
https://nikonrumors.com/2017/09/03/lets-start-talking-about-the-upcoming-nikon-mirrorless-camera.aspx/


Surely having to use an external lens adapter will add weight? Yet again diminishing the lightweight advantage of mirrorless to some degree.

For mirrorless to work for me I need a camera body that's familiar in the hand; a viewfinder that doesn't freeze while saving the image to card; a battery that copes with sensor drain and still delivers 300+ shots.

Beyond that the question I have is ...."who really gains by getting rid of the mirror?"

If when using it for anything more than casual walkabout photography you have heavy lenses, there's no weight advantage. Even if you don't use them, the lenses are still in your bag...just in case. All the lenses need to be mega light too!

The only real advantage I have seen using the Fuji mirrorless is the ability to see the actual exposure compensation live in the viewfinder. Take the guesswork out of adjusting for backlight. The Fuji lenses are very good quality though.



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Eric wrote:
I would be more interested in a Nikon mirrorless if it felt like a D750 in the hand.:thumbs:

Surely a Nikon FM sized digital would be perfect.
No mirror and film compartments which would be filled with battery or electronics.



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jk wrote:
Eric wrote:
I would be more interested in a Nikon mirrorless if it felt like a D750 in the hand.:thumbs:

Surely a Nikon FM sized digital would be perfect.
No mirror and film compartments which would be filled with battery or electronics.


Don't see the point of making bodies so small that some users need to add grips. If it's bigger to start with there's room in there for bigger better battery.
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jk wrote:
Surely a Nikon FM sized digital would be perfect.
No mirror and film compartments which would be filled with battery or electronics.


I thought we had moved on since the FM, ergonomics are very important. While the FM, FE etc. were very good cameras in their day, cameras such as the D750 are joy to use.

I would expect the electronics could be compressed into almost no space, a couple of chips?

The motor for the mirror and focal plane shutter, together with the mechanisms and associated parts must be very expensive to make and develop. Savings in these departments should give the manufacturers some leeway to encourage them to develop a really good modern camera without a mirror or pentaprism.



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I do not understand the point of Nikon adding a third camera system , if I need a new camera than it has to have the " F " mount , when a smaller camera is called for than I borrow the missus J1 which is an Exellent camera...or will Nikon phase out the "V" series ?

I can not imagine the Big D`s getting phased out.



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Robert wrote:
jk wrote:
Surely a Nikon FM sized digital would be perfect.
No mirror and film compartments which would be filled with battery or electronics.


I thought we had moved on since the FM, ergonomics are very important. While the FM, FE etc. were very good cameras in their day, cameras such as the D750 are joy to use.

I would expect the electronics could be compressed into almost no space, a couple of chips?

The motor for the mirror and focal plane shutter, together with the mechanisms and associated parts must be very expensive to make and develop. Savings in these departments should give the manufacturers some leeway to encourage them to develop a really good modern camera without a mirror or pentaprism.


Yes, I was talking form factor not control layout.
Happy to have D750/850 layout.



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Robert wrote:
jk wrote:
Surely a Nikon FM sized digital would be perfect.
No mirror and film compartments which would be filled with battery or electronics.


I thought we had moved on since the FM, ergonomics are very important. While the FM, FE etc. were very good cameras in their day, cameras such as the D750 are joy to use.

I would expect the electronics could be compressed into almost no space, a couple of chips?

The motor for the mirror and focal plane shutter, together with the mechanisms and associated parts must be very expensive to make and develop. Savings in these departments should give the manufacturers some leeway to encourage them to develop a really good modern camera without a mirror or pentaprism.


Yes..if they keep the same size body, get rid of all the gubbins, compress all the chips..there would be space to store my iPhone in the back.:thumbs:



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:lol::lol:

The way the interest rate is it will take a few years to get the 50p

 




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Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
I agree Eric.
1. With my XT2 I always carry two spare batteries.
2. The viewfinder freeze is not something I notice I have to say but this can be reduced by faster image reads off the sensor.
3. That is a design issue but I agree we just need to reduce the pentaprism hump. An XPro1 body without the OVF and with XT2 internals and controls would work well for me. If the AF speed was improved to D850 levels and I could use my F mount lenses then I would buy one!


I am curious why you don't see the image freeze?

Let me try to understand....

I see a small bird in a bush. I lock focus and fire in AFS mode.

It takes the photo but the image display is frozen in the viewfinder albeit for a fraction of a second. In that moment the bird has moved out of frame ...so I have to find it again. More annoying, if I am in AFC mode as soon as the frozen image clears, the camera refocuses on the bush potentially way behind where the bird was. So I HAVE to refocus.

In situations where I take just one photo or the subject stays in shot, it doesn't matter. But specifically when the movement of the subject is erratic and unpredictable, losing line of sight, so to speak, can be a real issue.

Using Ch continuous shooting it's possible to keep the bird under the focus sensor but the viewfinder flickers away like mad....and the battery power goes doooown!

So what am I doing wrong?


This was one of the things that bugged me too.

 

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