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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2018 02:35
 
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Latest teaser.
I suggest that you take a look even if you are only partially interested.
https://youtu.be/nIi_p0wLHkM

Of course they are enthuastic as they are beta testers! ;-)



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jk wrote: Latest teaser.
I suggest that you take a look even if you are only partially interested.
https://youtu.be/nIi_p0wLHkM

Of course they are enthusiastic as they are beta testers! ;-)
We'll find out all about it on Thursday.

 




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With a 100mm screen there ain't a lot of real estate left!

The joystick control looks well placed.

Isn't this supposed to be a touchscreen control?

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The joystick is a great addition it is so much better and easier to use than the stupid control pad which provides poor controls.
Touch screen is a +/- thing depending on what you like. On my D850/D500 I find it is useful for review but more of a gimmick!



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GeoffR wrote:
novicius wrote: Looks a Big monitor,and All controls on Righthand side..makes for quick working, Nice !!Actually it makes for a significant difference in handling between the Z series and the D4, D5 meaning that a professional using both is going to have a steeper learning curve. If the display buttons were on the left this wouldn't be the case. Additionally, as shown in the image, the screen being close to the left edge of the body is vulnerable to impacts that wouldn't be any risk on a DSLR.


I Disagree...

Everything , exept for the Two buttons on top-left ( not so much used during a shoot ), can be reached by thumb, something I could get used too Very Quickly, Not much of a steep learning curve.

Learning to work with an EVF would cause more of a learning curve than working those buttons on the Righthand side.

The Screen being closer to the Left Rim being more susceptible to damage ???...How is that one inch difference going to be Detrimental ?..

There are Many digital camera`s with the monitor close to the rim without causing damage.

Careful handling would Avoid damage...and it`s a Nikon, they`re Not made of sugar !!



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IMHO everything on the controls front is very much similar.
The movement of the controls from the left side of the back TFT screen to the right side of the camera is a positive move (I think).
I cant see me having a problem using the Z cameras. Most professionals work with either only one camera or with multiple cameras that are the same.


A camera body is almost a consumer item that is used to capture the image. Mirrorless camera bodies should be more durable as there are less moving parts. When we finally get direct readout sensors then the last major mechanical piece (the shutter) will be redundant. This will be great news.



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jk wrote:
The joystick is a great addition it is so much better and easier to use than the stupid control pad which provides poor controls.
Touch screen is a +/- thing depending on what you like. On my D850/D500 I find it is useful for review but more of a gimmick!


I still can't get used to the joystick. I either accidentally move the focus point with my thumb or forget I moved it deliberately when I come to take the next shot.

I must be using it wrong because I have always found it takes much longer to move the focus spot to the subject and then back for the next shot( which may be on the other extreme side of the viewfinder) than centre focus locking the subject and reframing each time.o.O

That's especially true photographing moving subjects where you need to keep space around the subject to keep them in frame.



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With mirrorless it is more critical (depending on the AF method in the camera) to have the AF spot over the point of interest for sharpest focus.
That is a mirrorless learning. DSLRs potentially are the same but it 'seems' less critical.

In my testing if you use AF-S and single central point on a mirrorless and DSLR then the Mirrorless with AF point centred on point of interest yields a sharp picture 'every' time.
If you do central AF point and focus and recompose then your critical sharp images drops to 50-80%. Big difference!
DSLRs are different autofocus mechanism to mirrprless but even they are improved by this method of focusing from mirrorless.
Obviously it slows down your rate of working. Also it works best with static subjects. But that is why there are AF-C and AF-S modes and autofocus settings!



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jk wrote:
With mirrorless it is more critical (depending on the AF method in the camera) to have the AF spot over the point of interest for sharpest focus.
That is a mirrorless learning. DSLRs potentially are the same but it 'seems' less critical.

In my testing if you use AF-S and single central point on a mirrorless and DSLR then the Mirrorless with AF point centred on point of interest yields a sharp picture 'every' time.
If you do central AF point and focus and recompose then your critical sharp images drops to 50-80%. Big difference!
DSLRs are different autofocus mechanism to mirrprless but even they are improved by this method of focusing from mirrorless.
Obviously it slows down your rate of working. Also it works best with static subjects. But that is why there are AF-C and AF-S modes and autofocus settings!


I don't understand that Jonathan.

In AF-S mode with the focus spot centre screen..... turning to position the subject under that spot centre screen, hitting the AF lock button at the back....fixes the focus point on that subject distance. Reframing without touching anything or moving, surely keeps the focus where you left it? Don't see why a mirrorless is any different to a DSLR in registering the correct focus point by this method?

I can understand it causing an issue if you use the shutter button to focus and do exposure AND if you remove your finger so it refocuses. I can also accept that if the subject requires AFC AND is off centre in the required framing, moving the sensor point could be beneficial.
But I don't understand how the camera having been focused using the focus and reframe method when locked can give differing results by moving the focus spot around the screen?



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jk wrote:
IMHO everything on the controls front is very much similar.
The movement of the controls from the left side of the back TFT screen to the right side of the camera is a positive move (I think).
I cant see me having a problem using the Z cameras. Most professionals work with either only one camera or with multiple cameras that are the same.


A camera body is almost a consumer item that is used to capture the image. Mirrorless camera bodies should be more durable as there are less moving parts. When we finally get direct readout sensors then the last major mechanical piece (the shutter) will be redundant. This will be great news.


Exactly my sentiments , plus Eric`s concerns about
batt.drain/ freezing of the EVF is making me curious about Nikon`s new offering.....this wait is torturous..:banghead:



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