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Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2018 15:28
 
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Having a closer look makes me wonder,..is this the beginning of the End of the Big D era ??

The last of the "F" series is the F6... and now there`s the D5 , if history repeats itself..then is the D6 going to be the last , before being replaced by something entirely Different...

Hoping that I can still use my Cherished Nikkors , the very reason I stayed True to Nikon.



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Well, I understand Nikon said they would continue to develop the 'F' line but didn't.

I somehow think this is different. The larger lens mount might allow for a rectangular, larger format sensor, I think the very short sensor to Flange distance is to reverse the trend of some users who use Nikkor lenses on 'other makes' such as the FF Sony. With DX, FX and MF sensors as options in the same style body, which can also use the F Mount would be a clever move on Nikons part given they don't have an MF body as such. It could open up a big opportunity, given the prices of MF bodies.

I see both types of camera co-existing They both have strengths and weaknesses. If this lives up to the hype it's going to be something special.



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Robert wrote: Well, I understand Nikon said they would continue to develop the 'F' line but didn't.

I somehow think this is different. The larger lens mount might allow for a rectangular, larger format sensor, I think the very short sensor to Flange distance is to reverse the trend of some users who use Nikkor lenses on 'other makes' such as the FF Sony. With DX, FX and MF sensors as options in the same style body, which can also use the F Mount would be a clever move on Nikon's part given they don't have an MF body as such. It could open up a big opportunity, given the prices of MF bodies.

I see both types of camera co-existing They both have strengths and weaknesses. If this lives up to the hype it's going to be something special.
Nikon may have intended to continue development of film bodies but I suspect the rate at which the market changed precluded their doing so. However, the F6 has not been discontinued. An updated body with the D5's AF and metering systems would seem entirely possible should there be a demand.

Contrary to popular mythology there are serious down sides to EVFs; some eye conditions make using them unpleasant for instance. Other users with inner ear conditions have reported problems too. They aren't universally acceptable and may never reach that position. I used an Olympus mirrorless for a few weeks and couldn't get on with it because the EVF wasn't able to resolve detail to a sufficient extent to confirm focus, it was also too small.

Despite comments from various Nikon users, the Nikon 1 series cameras are actually very capable but lack some of the features of an SLR, shutter operation sometimes isn't what one expects. The 1 J5 is apparently the best of the bunch and, with a viewfinder, would be very versatile. Nikon's new mirrorless camera should easily out perform the 1 series and incorporate all the best attributes of the D5.

Much has been said about the new lens mount, there appears to be no reason why current Nikkor lenses shouldn't work via an adaptor but older, mechanically coupled, lenses may be either unusable or very restricted in operation, we shall have to wait and see.

On the subject of lenses, I would not be surprised to see the F mount replaced on SLRs as its limitations are becoming obvious. Look at a recent DSLR and you will see that the lens mount sits in the middle of a circular pad about the same size as the Z mount for the mirrorless body. This has been the case since the D2. Why would a designer have such a flat area on the front of a camera body if there wasn't some prospect of needing the space later? Current lenses are moving away from any mechanical linkages; once that is complete there is nothing to stop Nikon from moving to a larger diameter lens mount. Thoughts?

 




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Eric, what ISO are you using on the D500 when you get noise? I dont see this with my D500 but I dont have to boost ISO. My D500 is in UK so I cant test easily but I can look through images.

The visible noise of which I speak is a function of how much cropping I have to do when photographing distant birds.

The full picture may be perfectly 'noise free' to the eye at 2000+ ISO ...but crop in to (say) quarter frame and artefacts cane be seen.

I believe Graham has noted that his D850 ( being a FF sensor) has on balance less noise at high ISO than his D500. I have no experience of the D850 but I sometimes feel the heavy cropping combined with the higher ISO needed to use fast shutter speeds with birds in U.K. would benefit from anything that's on offer.

Of course a longer lens would be another answer...so roll on the 500P



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I agree that current EVFs are not the equivalent of a OVF but there are advantages (light amplification in EVF really helps in macro) but action smearing and pixel effects are serious downsides.
In flamenco photography the Fuji XT1 is neigh on useless but the XT2 is much better but not as good as an OVF.

Horses for courses!
Like everything in life we need to consider the advantages/disadvantages before committing to changes. For me this is the reason I have nvested in multiple cameras. I am fortunate being able to do this.



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jk wrote:
Eric, what ISO are you using on the D500 when you get noise? I dont see this with my D500 but I dont have to boost ISO. My D500 is in UK so I cant test easily but I can look through images.

The visible noise of which I speak is a function of how much cropping I have to do when photographing distant birds.

The full picture may be perfectly 'noise free' to the eye at 2000+ ISO ...but crop in to (say) quarter frame and artefacts cane be seen.

I believe Graham has noted that his D850 ( being a FF sensor) has on balance less noise at high ISO than his D500. I have no experience of the D850 but I sometimes feel the heavy cropping combined with the higher ISO needed to use fast shutter speeds with birds in U.K. would benefit from anything that's on offer.

Of course a longer lens would be another answer...so roll on the 500P


Definitely agree with your comments wrt to enlarged hi ISO images that are cropped.
It is the reason I got the Nikon 200-500, cropping is still required for some BIF images which really shows what you describe, D500 is only 20MP!



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jk wrote:
Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
Eric, what ISO are you using on the D500 when you get noise? I dont see this with my D500 but I dont have to boost ISO. My D500 is in UK so I cant test easily but I can look through images.

The visible noise of which I speak is a function of how much cropping I have to do when photographing distant birds.

The full picture may be perfectly 'noise free' to the eye at 2000+ ISO ...but crop in to (say) quarter frame and artefacts cane be seen.

I believe Graham has noted that his D850 ( being a FF sensor) has on balance less noise at high ISO than his D500. I have no experience of the D850 but I sometimes feel the heavy cropping combined with the higher ISO needed to use fast shutter speeds with birds in U.K. would benefit from anything that's on offer.

Of course a longer lens would be another answer...so roll on the 500P


Definitely agree with your comments wrt to enlarged hi ISO images that are cropped.
It is the reason I got the Nikon 200-500, cropping is still required for some BIF images which really shows what you describe, D500 is only 20MP!


Do you know...I had forgotten it was only 20mp. Got it in my head it was 24mp. :doh:

Am afraid I haven't mastered BIF yet. :needsahug:



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Eric wrote:

Do you know...I had forgotten it was only 20mp. Got it in my head it was 24mp. :doh:

Am afraid I haven't mastered BIF yet. :needsahug:


BIF are easy with the D500 and right AF settings, as once it locks on and you keep the birds more or less in frame it seems to keep focus.

It was BeeEaters I was photographing last year. Only see them for two weeks maximum as they fly back to Africa.



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jk wrote: Eric wrote:

Do you know...I had forgotten it was only 20mp. Got it in my head it was 24mp. :doh:

Am afraid I haven't mastered BIF yet. :needsahug:


BIF are easy with the D500 and right AF settings, as once it locks on and you keep the birds more or less in frame it seems to keep focus.

It was BeeEaters I was photographing last year. Only see them for two weeks maximum as they fly back to Africa.
As with many things Nikon, mastering the AF system is harder than mastering panning but once done it does indeed make capturing birds relatively easy.

 




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GeoffR wrote:
jk wrote: Eric wrote:

Do you know...I had forgotten it was only 20mp. Got it in my head it was 24mp. :doh:

Am afraid I haven't mastered BIF yet. :needsahug:


BIF are easy with the D500 and right AF settings, as once it locks on and you keep the birds more or less in frame it seems to keep focus.

It was BeeEaters I was photographing last year. Only see them for two weeks maximum as they fly back to Africa.
As with many things Nikon, mastering the AF system is harder than mastering panning but once done it does indeed make capturing birds relatively easy.


Like the flash system as well. I prefer to use PocketWizard system and manually control via the TT5 and AC3 controller.



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