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Posted: Mon Sep 11th, 2017 14:50
 
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Eric, have you tried increasing Clarity (Lightroom).

I agree with Robert about telephoto use and the continual need for a longer lens. This is my reason for thinking that I need to use a 45MP camera. It is easier to crop a sharp high resolution image than to carray a huge telephoto!


No, because I don't use Lightroom.;-)



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Edit, Eric, you were too quick for me!

You can access Clarity> Camera RAW in Photoshop as well as Lightroom, not sure Eric has Lightroom...

In the 'Filters' Menu>





I agree, Clarity does a good job of more clearly defining the subject in an image. I usually limit myself the about 25% setting. I feel much more and it looses realism, or looks 'over cooked'.

Also what might help even more is 'De-haze' at the bottom of the lightroom list of adjustments, very slight application is all that's needed, 3 or 4 points are the most I use on most images I apply it to, usually Clarity is all that's needed.

Clarity isn't sharpening as such, more micro contrast, as I see it. It doesn't usually produce a halo effect on most images although it can easily look over done, hence my personal imposed limit of about 25%.

In Lightroom you can select the subject alone and just apply the adjustment to that if you wish.



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Edit, Eric, you were too quick for me!

You can access Clarity> Camera RAW in Photoshop as well as Lightroom, not sure Eric has Lightroom...

In the 'Filters' Menu>





I agree, Clarity does a good job of more clearly defining the subject in an image. I usually limit myself the about 25% setting. I feel much more and it looses realism, or looks 'over cooked'.

Also what might help even more is 'De-haze' at the bottom of the lightroom list of adjustments, very slight application is all that's needed, 3 or 4 points are the most I use on most images I apply it to, usually Clarity is all that's needed.

Clarity isn't sharpening as such, more micro contrast, as I see it. It doesn't usually produce a halo effect on most images although it can easily look over done, hence my personal imposed limit of about 25%.

In Lightroom you can select the subject alone and just apply the adjustment to that if you wish.


I have a PS action that does micro contrast...I haven't processed these files through Photoshop though...yet. They were just tweaked on the iPad.

But the point is...I want better clarity and quality in the 'captured' (sorry Blythe) image. Of course there's all sorts of digital magic that can be done to improve the appearance but the underlying IQ needs to be there.

I know I am not comparing apples with apples, but.the images from the Fuji in the field do not seem to be the same underlying quality of the D750 I previously used.

Apart from location, weather and a whole host of possible causes, the obvious difference could be the FX sensor in a Nikon body.




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Is that now the famous Starlight Express?:lol::lol::lol::lol:



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Eric wrote:
But the point is...I want better clarity and quality in the 'captured' (sorry Blythe) image. Of course there's all sorts of digital magic that can be done to improve the appearance but the underlying IQ needs to be there.

o.O


I realise that and it's fundamental, like my Red Kite, it's rescued, it was nothing much more than a blob in the original image, although you could see the pupils in the original NEF, (managed to avoid 'capture!!! LOL). That shows through even though I did my best with it.

Post processing should only need minor tweaks, not major rescue.

I was just trying to draw attention to the existence to the similar feature in Photoshop that exists in Lightroom, the existence of which isn't always common knowledge given it lives in the filters menu rather than the edit or image menus. The ability to run a JPEG or RAW image through ACR at any stage is handy. Obviously there isn't as much to be recovered from a JPEG but sometimes it's surprising what you can recover.

A chap who lives not too far from here went to a Loch in Scotland, some enterprising locals feed the sea Eagles at a particular place and they provided a hide on a boat nearby. They enticed an Eagle down, he caught it just as it lifted a Salmon from the water, a spectacular image with water droplets and action packed. No doubt his camera would have been on rapid shutter, to catch that critical moment. I understand it cost him a packet but what a photograph. It was at a camera club exhibition in the Barrow Maritime Museum. Now, was that cheating... Or should he have had to sit hiding on the little boat for two days to catch that moment?



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Eric wrote:
Is that now the famous Starlight Express?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Without a doubt! :lol::lol::lol:



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Eric and I use CS6 so we dont get the latest feature available to CC subscription.



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Robert wrote:
Eric wrote:
But the point is...I want better clarity and quality in the 'captured' (sorry Blythe) image. Of course there's all sorts of digital magic that can be done to improve the appearance but the underlying IQ needs to be there.

o.O


I realise that and it's fundamental, like my Red Kite, it's rescued, it was nothing much more than a blob in the original image, although you could see the pupils in the original NEF, (managed to avoid 'capture!!! LOL). That shows through even though I did my best with it.

Post processing should only need minor tweaks, not major rescue.

I was just trying to draw attention to the existence to the similar feature in Photoshop that exists in Lightroom, the existence of which isn't always common knowledge given it lives in the filters menu rather than the edit or image menus. The ability to run a JPEG or RAW image through ACR at any stage is handy. Obviously there isn't as much to be recovered from a JPEG but sometimes it's surprising what you can recover.

A chap who lives not too far from here went to a Loch in Scotland, some enterprising locals feed the sea Eagles at a particular place and they provided a hide on a boat nearby. They enticed an Eagle down, he caught it just as it lifted a Salmon from the water, a spectacular image with water droplets and action packed. No doubt his camera would have been on rapid shutter, to catch that critical moment. I understand it cost him a packet but what a photograph. It was at a camera club exhibition in the Barrow Maritime Museum. Now, was that cheating... Or should he have had to sit hiding on the little boat for two days to catch that moment?


I don't believe its always cheating! You only have to look at many published images to recognise a degree of 'pre arrangement' was necessary. That may be just being told where a bird sits...or where a rare bird is frequenting. But it might extend to captured creatures in decorated cages! I don't believe many wildlife winning shots are serendipity.

I think if the capturer (:lol:) is trying to give the impression it was exposed on the fly, in the wild and have it used as a measure of his/her skill....it is cheating. But if you just want the best shot of a creature you can get, purely for the aesthetics of the photo, then all actions are fair game.

These days, just don't want 'that' photo enough... to put myself through a lot to get it. Lazy old git.

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Eric and I use CS6 so we dont get the latest feature available to CC subscription.

Ah, Thought it was available in Bridge too but that may only be CC as well.



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I think it is in MetaRAW which is why I was advocating its purchae for Mac and Windows.



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