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Posted: Wed Nov 11th, 2015 03:37
 
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The next generation or technology leap of sensors are the organic sensors.
http://www.andrewgoodman.me/blog/photogrpahy/the-fujifilm-organic-sensor/

As you say the current technology is moving forward and the logic chips are devloped to keep up with these step advances.


I have two concerns ...if the human eye can only see 14stops, what's the point of 29stops? And who will care about this level of fidelity? Future photographers will merely use their phone for 'good enough' snaps.
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These incremental improvements are not proportional to the typical price increments we have to pay for a 'new' body. It's one of the reasons I frequently skip a version or two. The launch prices are invariably about the same but by missing out a couple of stages you get a more noticeable step improvement for the price. It's a Yorkshire thing.
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Which is why I have never been tempted by the D300 and none of the other DX offerings have been developed along the lines I need, except for the D3100 which I use as a snapshot camera and almost lives in my tool box, hence the scratched lens and bumps and bruises!



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Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
The next generation or technology leap of sensors are the organic sensors.
http://www.andrewgoodman.me/blog/photogrpahy/the-fujifilm-organic-sensor/

As you say the current technology is moving forward and the logic chips are devloped to keep up with these step advances.


I have two concerns ...if the human eye can only see 14stops, what's the point of 29stops? And who will care about this level of fidelity? Future photographers will merely use their phone for 'good enough' snaps.
o.O


A couple of other points too...

There is no way of printing or viewing 29 stops on a monitor, also presumably the file sizes will be huge, I can only think the image will be compressed back to a viewable and manageable 14 stops after capture by software which can make use of the entire range and compress it to a visible and manageable range.



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I think it will be a gradual addition of additional bit levels. The initial sensor will probably yield 16bit, then the next generation 20bit before the final release of 24bit.
So in 10 years time we will have 100MP sensor @ 24bits!!  File size ~1GB/image.



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I think it will be a gradual addition of additional bit levels. The initial sensor will probably yield 16bit, then the next generation 20bit before the final release of 24bit.
So in 10 years time we will have 100MP sensor @ 24bits!!  File size ~1GB/image.


In 10 years time my eyes will probably be even more unappreciative.
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Eric wrote:
These incremental improvements are not proportional to the typical price increments we have to pay for a 'new' body. It's one of the reasons I frequently skip a version or two. The launch prices are invariably about the same but by missing out a couple of stages you get a more noticeable step improvement for the price. It's a Yorkshire thing.
:lol:


Which is why I have never been tempted by the D300 and none of the other DX offerings have been developed along the lines I need, except for the D3100 which I use as a snapshot camera and almost lives in my tool box, hence the scratched lens and bumps and bruises!


In fairness I think you missed a significant step not going to the D300. Not quite the magnitude of the D2X to D3 step change, but the D300 was in the same wave of urgent upgrades designed to win back users who were drifting towards Canon for better high ISO noise performance. And as such did make a significant step improvement worth buying into.

I felt, and said so at the time on this forum, that the D300 would become a sort of classic, unlikely to be upgraded. It did of course get the S upgrade but as we know, no D400.

I am sure the newer sensors in the D7xxx and D3xxx bodies are now superior to the D300 but don't have the solid body feel of the earlier Dxxx series bodies. So not the complete package for many.



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I think the D7100/7200 have superior performance and handling compared to the D300S but nowhere near the build quality. The D300 build quality is close to a D3.



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I think the D7100/7200 have superior performance and handling compared to the D300S but nowhere near the build quality. The D300 build quality is close to a D3.

That's the point I was trying to make. Robert has always valued the robust build of the D200. The D300/S has that too ....and would have been a significant sensor upgrade without a loss of build quality.



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I have started a new thread for the D200/D300 discussion, I feel I am being a distraction posting off topic in Iain's thread.

Iain still hasn't confirmed if he has been using a tripod or hand holding the D800...



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Eric wrote:
jk wrote:
The next generation or technology leap of sensors are the organic sensors.
http://www.andrewgoodman.me/blog/photogrpahy/the-fujifilm-organic-sensor/

As you say the current technology is moving forward and the logic chips are devloped to keep up with these step advances.


I have two concerns ...if the human eye can only see 14stops, what's the point of 29stops? And who will care about this level of fidelity? Future photographers will merely use their phone for 'good enough' snaps.
o.O


It would open up the post processing potential incredibly, allowing detail tonal range to be compressed so that it can be seen. I imagine it would be very forgiving of incorrect exposures as well!

 

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