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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2018 13:34
 
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I suppose it had to go full circle , after a bit of umming and arring I have just ordered a used D300S off of the bay of evil , should be here at the weekend. :applause: as some might remember I nearly started up again last year but at the time decided to stay on canon .. that eventually got to heavy to lug around and I was told by her indoors to get something lighter , so earlier this year I sold all m6 big canon gear and changed to Panasonic MFT a g80 +Leica 100-400 which is a excellent walk around rig due to 2x crop factor , and weighs a incredible all up weight of 1.5kg camera and lens .. .

But as I feared the system is great in the summer but as the winter has drawn on noise has started to become a nuisance . So after reviewing old files and camera results I kept getting drawn back to the D300S partly due to the fact I also have a couple of manual focus Nikon fit lenses a 50mm f1.4 ais and a soligor 200mm f3.5 which are both razor sharp . S o deed now done and no doubt I,ll be inputting on here again shortly SO WAKE UP HERE WE GO :whip: :devil:

 




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Well welcome back. Hope the D300S works for you.



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Good to hear from you, welcome back.



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Thanks Robert and Jonathan , I thought about what to get for quiet a while , luckily as you know I have quiet a library of shots from various bodies over the years all brands and models . I could have gone a extra few pounds and gotten one of the newer sensor models , but my gut feeling doesn't favour the tightly packed pixel sensors . . Again lenses come into the equation got two manual focus ones for now , and a brand new 70-300vr from Hong Kong comes in at £122 this morning . Might get a few bob for Xmas who knows ....
At this moment in time I intend to keep my micro four thirds stuff and run both side by side .. time will tell

 




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4/3 is OK in sunny weather and low ISO other wise it is not up to scratch. Just my opinion.



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I agree on the sunny weather bit Jonathan , but I have also gotten good shots at up to 6400 iso if the subject is close enough .

 




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Well, I am reneging (slightly) on my aversion to high res sensors, the D3 is wonderful, I love the daylight and lowlight images, motorsport and other stuff, 12Mp is plenty for most needs.

For night time and star photography, the large pixels are a limiting factor, also I can't get my D3 into the PB4 bellows for slide copying and photo (print) copying so I am considering either the D800 or the D810, I am leaning towards the D810. There are a lot of minor improvements in the 810 over the 800. They all add up to a rather better camera.

https://photographylife.com/nikon-d810-vs-d800-d800e

With the advent of the Z range, these superb bodies are going for a song now, prices are plummeting, really good, low shutter count D800's for ~£600. o.O I have had two offered recently.

The D3 and D300S will still be my 'normal' bodies but the D8X0 will step in where the extra pixels and features give an advantage.



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blackfox wrote:
I agree on the sunny weather bit Jonathan , but I have also gotten good shots at up to 6400 iso if the subject is close enough .


Hi Jeff...welcome back.

You raise an interesting point about iso limits.

On Monday I was photographing woodland birds. Fast shutter speeds and small apertures (necessary for fast moving small birds, relatively close) nd poor light meant very high ISOs. I was disappointed with the results in terms of noise. Admittedly the ISO's were well above the 5000 but I have come to the conclusion that the D500 has distracting noise when used over 4000.

That's a surprise and disappointment because my old D3 could do 4000 as well as the D500. o.O

Of course we know that, the smaller the pixels, the greater the propensity for noise in the images. So a 12mp FX D3 might be expected to have less noise sensitivity than a 24mp DX D500. But there was probably 10years development between the models and I would have hoped the noise improvements would have been as much in the normal use range, as in the upper registers. It's almost as though they concentrated exclsuively on flattening the noise grdient at the top end and forgot to do anything in the lower middle ie <10000

I am coming to the conclusion that if the UK light won't give me 1/1000 @ f8 at <3000 iso....there's little value trying to photograph birds. Might as well just take the binoculars for a walk.



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totally agree there Eric . a good p/p regime does help as does a good de-noise plug in for photoshop if you use it . here's one from the panasonic g80 at 3200iso taken a couple of weeks ago in grey overcast , normally I would not have bothered in this sort of light but its a rarity (Slavonian grebe) so it had to be done . my main problem is my lens whilst being a Leica is a f6.3 minimum and though I do love the fact I can shoot at a equivalent 800mm on the 2x crop factor and with 5 way i.s the light is the limiting factor .
I will be hoping to find a f4 or better when the d300s arrives . anyway heres this I will look for higher iso examples later
tossing and turning by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

 




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and one at 6400iso taken in dark woodland , so yes it can work but not good enough ... or consistently enough for my liking
the forager by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr

 

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