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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 05:59 |
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jk
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Eric wrote: jk wrote:Noone has a right to anything except life. Thereafter you make of it what you put in or receive for your efforts. Some 'privileged' people have an additional kickstart but they are few compared to the many. I managed to work had and amass enough money through not spending all my time smoking and boozing and whilst having expensive tastes in toys I still managed to have a reasonable lifestyle.Eric wrote:There is no doubt that there are layers of society that are taking obscene financial advantage. Steve would use stronger rhetoric. LOL But at all levels there is a widespread feeling that they have a right to have everything.steve of oxford wrote:Whilst I am all for businesses generating reasonable profits and giving good wages. These wages have to be earned from hard work and commitment to the job and the profits shouldnt be used to pay director bonuses (they should have declared salaries with option to buy shares if it is a PLC), but for reinvestment in the company. Even though I got very good management bonuses at GSK, in principle I think that all bonuses should be paid in shares, not money. This makes the bonus zero taxable if they are held for 5 years which in turn encourages the employee to work hard as it will be reflected in the share price. The John Lewis model works well in my opinion even though there will people who whinge at the idea of employee responsibility and commitment to profits for all.Eric: We have spawned two generations of workshy individuals through a stupendously incompetent benefit system. I disagree. These individuals have been spawned as they are because their areas have been robbed of their industries. Why?...because with our traditional industries our country would be one to be reckoned with, and we can't have that now can we. You take industry away from areas without replacing it, you get social problems. This is not the fault of youth, but the kow towing politicians who've been running this country down for decades and deserve to be hung for treason.We are in the process of a large employment opportunity in our town. Nearly 200 jobs have been created and the successful applicants started their induction and training in the last week of October. As of last Monday, 21 of these have 'jacked it in' citing too rigid discipline, not letting them have time off for family commitments, can't get into work at that time every day, doing their heads in, and not what they thought it would be ...as some of the excuses. It is convenient to assign the blame to incompetent politicians, greedy businessmen and everyone else ...but the fact is, many of our unemployed are unemployable, because of their attitudes, unreasonable expectations and entrenched reliance on money for nothing. All of which is academic, as frankly, I have stopped winding myself up over things I can't change. Edit: just been told that I was being unnecessarily harsh with our local youths. It appears it was only 16 that left...the other 5 were relocated at the company in jobs that they were prepared to do...we hope. Well I feel depressed as I have no job and I dont desire one as I have worked enough for big organisations. I dont watch TV very often as the TV-cocaine is complete drivel, I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here (why? Have a taste of the real world would be my answer), X-Factor, Coronation Street, East Enders, Strictly Come Dancing.....etc.... The stuff that is useful is on at strange times in the day or night - Question Time and other current affairs programs.The word deprived is banded about too liberally. My brother in law is an employee of the social handout division. He once said to me that " in this day and age a person who hasn't got a TV is 'deprived' ....this could affect their state of mind......and therefore they should be provided with one by the state". After falling about laughing I said I was feeling a bit mentally stressed myself because I haven't got a Rolls Royce...could he wangle me one. But seriously it underlined for me the basic problem, that if people are weaned on this sort of rubbish they will grow up to expect the world owes them...and inconveniencing themselves (like working a 40 hour week) becomes unthinkable. I suppose in the example I quoted I should be more positive. That 90% of the people have secured jobs and are prepared to work and only 10% are lazy, workshy individuals.But somehow that still doesn't make me warm and content inside.Are you sure the 80/20 rule doesnt apply 
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 09:02 |
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steve of oxford
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Coronation Street, East Enders. and I might add Emerdale. But they're all the same, serving the same purpose: a vehicle to brainwash people into accepting gay rights, time after time these deviant producers of such drivel blatantly violate the watershed, i.e two blokes full on snogging before 9.30 pm, shockingly they get away with it. Yet, on celebrity jungle every F word is blanked. So what this tells me is that some self appointed guardians of morality (probably gay themselves) are deciding FOR US that we're not to hear swear words, but at the same time we're supposed to believe it's acceptable for them to expose our kids to two blokes snogging. Worst still, the gay issues soap lobby is now trying to convince people that a pair of gay blokes can be given a baby that was forcibly removed from good normal parents to raise as their own,,,,,,and we're supposed to believe that in such a real life situation that child's sexuality would not be affected by it's environment. The provable conspiracy is the fact that currently the soap producers are trying to subdue the public into accepting gay adoptions. I abhor the double standards, the use of these programmes to force various issues in people's faces. Simply put: the producers, by their own perverted lifestyles have reduced the soaps to nothing more than filthy PC trash, which is why I don't watch them. It also says a lot for the actors, who are willing to put their tongues down some other bloke's throat knowing it will be illegally screened before 9.30pm and people's children will see it. Yup, the money. Or because it pleases them that children will be exposed to their sexuality. I would like some beeb producer to come on here waving his pink feathers at what I have written, because; 1 was at the beeb for four years so I know what I am talking about, 2 the beeb is hardly in a position to comment on moral values. Anyone thinking the beeb might be a hotbed for psychopaths and work shy PC mouth pieces....would be pretty close to the truth.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 09:07 |
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steve of oxford
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something gone a bit funny with the forum....messages appearing twice, once as normal then as a quote.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 09:18 |
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steve of oxford
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JK: Well I feel depressed as I have no job and I dont desire one Well there you go then, unwilling to work ! LOL, to tell you truth JK, you, I and millions of others feel the same way. Though in my case I am not depressed, I used to be but now I'm what you might call semi-retired i.e. no debts, property entirely owned by me, and though I do have a job involved in Formula 1, it's just to pay the bills and keep me in my favourite cars.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2012 14:43 |
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jk
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If I thought there was a reasonable company whose morals and principles matched mine then I would be happy to work for a wage that covered my costs of going to work. However the likelihood of that is fairly small as most companies would rather have someone with a huge mortgage and debt burden, as they are more easy to control, than someone who might challenge them if they were immoral, unethical or the like over whom they have no hold.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 04:56 |
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steve ,i am surprised you cannot see the grand goverment master plan that has been unfolding for the last generation , (1) ban smoking in pubs ,it stops people going as most went for a smoke and joke plus the beer /it also stops people meeting in groups to discuss the state of things . (2) subsidise large lcd t.v's to make it enjoyable for the rabble to stay at home and watch tv . (3) use the t.v media to influence the way the rabble thinks and votes as you have so obviously stated above . (4) the goverment benefits are that more and more pubs and clubs (rabble meeting places) close every week ,refer to section 2 and 3 fact during the latest middle east conflict a more truthfull unbiased viewpoint taking into account BOTH sides interests was given not on the BBC or SKY or even good old ITV but by AL JAZEERA really weird but its true
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 13:57 |
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steve of oxford
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fact during the latest middle east conflict a more truthfull unbiased viewpoint taking into account BOTH sides interests was given not on the BBC or SKY or even good old ITV but by AL JAZEERA really weird but its true Nothing weird about it. I watch Al Jazeera in preference to BBC news. It's a known fact BBC is biased in favour of the US and Israel. It's a politically correct organisation....dances to the tune of oppressive governments. Like I said before the beeb is riddled with misfits, deviants, gays etc. I can tell you that when I was there I once fired an elastic band into the Israeli section, it nearly started world war three and the paranoid shts spent two days waging an inquisition as to "who fired that !" Yeah, a piddly elastic band and they felt someone was trying to wipe them out of existence. Still, I guess I was lucky I didn't fall victim to any shelling, cluster munitions or white phosphorous.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 15:04 |
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steve of oxford
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LOL, perhaps we might have some kind of recognition for the furthest a topic can drift. JK?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 15:15 |
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steve of oxford
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jk wrote:If I thought there was a reasonable company whose morals and principles matched mine then I would be happy to work for a wage that covered my costs of going to work. So national minimum wage wouldn't interest you JK?. As for employer's morals, they're gone with the wind mate. It's all corporate now. "However the likelihood of that is fairly small as most companies would rather have someone with a huge mortgage and debt burden" .....Ur ass is mine, the corporate model. Huge employee debt encourages backstabbing, snitching and general psychopathic behaviour amongst employees, particularly managers. i.e. the innocent get crapped on because their managers have too much to lose by sticking to morals. Such managers are seen as getting results. Yup, the corporate model, imported. There is one who did me a while ago, but he has an appointment with a bin liner and a golf club....best way to deal with scum like that is put the bstds in a coma. Talking of jobs though, I know someone who like me took voluntary redundancy from the public sector and paid off his mortgage. Trouble was he couldn't get a job despite excellent references and experience. So, my mate changed his Resume and advertised himself as bone idle, unreliable, and quite dangerous in the workplace......straight away he gets three job offers, so what does that tell you?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2012 15:33 |
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jk
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By definition in Everything Else there is no fixed/topic item as it is just stuff! Arent Jaguar part of the political landscape. Talking about Jags, I see 2JagsPrescott didnt get elected as Police ThingyMaFlip in Humberside 
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