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| Posted: Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 16:28 |
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Robert
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Given the chance they could probably eat all our cows in a week! :-(
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 05:53 |
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richw
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blackfox wrote:the real trouble is and this is not a racist statement just pure fact ,brand u.k is NOT that any more in reality ,in the majority of factories these days its made in britain by polish or other eu and immigrant workers .sad sad statement but totally true in well over 50% of the workplace . In the last years of living in the UK running a large distribution warehouse our workforce was mainly immigrant, but not because of cost. Most young English raised workers that came through the front door acted as if the job was below them and had no work ethic. Most immigrants however seemed to really value the work and worked damn hard. It's not immigrants to the UK that is at the source of it's problems, but how youngsters are brought up expecting to walk effortlessly out of school/college into jobs that in reality they need to put in ten years of hard graft to earn. Alternatively they grow up thinking that crime/welfare is an acceptable way to spend your life. In the end I moved to Aus, which is not as bad, but in danger of going the same way. However standards of living for blue collar jobs are much higher here protected by a strong Trade Union movement which survives due to the money that keeps rolling into the country from it's mineral resources.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 14:45 |
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jk
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Well following on the theme since I am Security Cleared until 2014. I couldnt possibly tell you where my money is except that once again I thank HMCE for my latest gift. 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 15:56 |
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Eric
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richw wrote:blackfox wrote: Very true. We have spawned two generations of workshy individuals through a stupendously incompetent benefit system. In contrast the immigrants that have come to work here, do work. It's the ones that have come to enjoy the same handouts for nothing, they need to ship out. We now have a Lithuanian super store and 4eastern European food stores in our town. The face of Britain is changing significantly. But at least these people have rented premises, are paying some taxes and are working hard. Good luck to them.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 17:08 |
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steve of oxford
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richw wrote: Most young English raised workers that came through the front door acted as if the job was below them and had no work ethic. Most immigrants however seemed to really value the work and worked damn hard. Another way of putting that, is: Most English workers understood the employer was taking the P, whereas the immigrants who had no idea of the right to a fair wage, were stupid enough to work for next to nothing thus providing a usually greedy employer with even more big fat profit.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 17:27 |
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steve of oxford
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Eric: We have spawned two generations of workshy individuals through a stupendously incompetent benefit system. I disagree. These individuals have been spawned as they are because their areas have been robbed of their industries. Why?...because with our traditional industries our country would be one to be reckoned with, and we can't have that now can we. You take industry away from areas without replacing it, you get social problems. This is not the fault of youth, but the kow towing politicians who've been running this country down for decades and deserve to be hung for treason.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2012 18:23 |
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Eric
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steve of oxford wrote:Eric: We have spawned two generations of workshy individuals through a stupendously incompetent benefit system. We are in the process of a large employment opportunity in our town. Nearly 200 jobs have been created and the successful applicants started their induction and training in the last week of October. As of last Monday, 21 of these have 'jacked it in' citing too rigid discipline, not letting them have time off for family commitments, can't get into work at that time every day, doing their heads in, and not what they thought it would be ...as some of the excuses. It is convenient to assign the blame to incompetent politicians, greedy businessmen and everyone else ...but the fact is, many of our unemployed are unemployable, because of their attitudes, unreasonable expectations and entrenched reliance on money for nothing. All of which is academic, as frankly, I have stopped winding myself up over things I can't change. Edit: just been told that I was being unnecessarily harsh with our local youths. It appears it was only 16 that left...the other 5 were relocated at the company in jobs that they were prepared to do...we hope.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 05:59 |
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jk
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Eric wrote: steve of oxford wrote: Whilst I am all for businesses generating reasonable profits and giving good wages. These wages have to be earned from hard work and commitment to the job and the profits shouldnt be used to pay director bonuses (they should have declared salaries with option to buy shares if it is a PLC), but for reinvestment in the company. Even though I got very good management bonuses at GSK, in principle I think that all bonuses should be paid in shares, not money. This makes the bonus zero taxable if they are held for 5 years which in turn encourages the employee to work hard as it will be reflected in the share price. The John Lewis model works well in my opinion even though there will people who whinge at the idea of employee responsibility and commitment to profits for all.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 06:32 |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Eric wrote:steve of oxford wrote: There is no doubt that there are layers of society that are taking obscene financial advantage. Steve would use stronger rhetoric. LOL But at all levels there is a widespread feeling that they have a right to have everything. The word deprived is banded about too liberally. My brother in law is an employee of the social handout division. He once said to me that " in this day and age a person who hasn't got a TV is 'deprived' ....this could affect their state of mind......and therefore they should be provided with one by the state". After falling about laughing I said I was feeling a bit mentally stressed myself because I haven't got a Rolls Royce...could he wangle me one. But seriously it underlined for me the basic problem, that if people are weaned on this sort of rubbish they will grow up to expect the world owes them...and inconveniencing themselves (like working a 40 hour week) becomes unthinkable. I suppose in the example I quoted I should be more positive. That 90% of the people have secured jobs and are prepared to work and only 10% are lazy, workshy individuals. But somehow that still doesn't make me warm and content inside.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2012 10:15 |
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steve of oxford
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Yes I understand where you're coming from Eric. In fact even some of the ones employed in, say for instance Halfrauds, really get my blood boiling with their stupidity and evident uselessness. But, it's education at fault, which in turn produces bad parents which causes generations of thick bone idle sods. I see the catalyst as being the loss of industry. In many areas of the country years ago you had to do well at school so you could get into engineering, because if you didn't the only option was down the pitts....no job prospects not even coal mines....school closures.....no shipbuilding....in fact our aircraft industry is now little more than a sick joke. Fortunately I became a time served Instrument Maker, and I've been working nearly 40 years and seen wholesale destruction, and actually a recent example of this is Cameron's yankee ass licking by ordering the MoD to purchase JSF, rather than order BAe on pain of death to come up with something better, or at least navalise the Typhoon. Decade after decade of traitor governments bending over backwards to please other countries and robbing the crap out of ours is the problem. And to hell with other countries we owe them absolutely NOTHING, we need to rebuild our own country rather than kow tow to the US and sponging corrupt Europe. Work shy kids of low intelligence & drive are an indicator of a deeper problem, which was not of their making.
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