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Posted: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 11:54
 
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Eric,
Have you read the Schumaker book ?
I am still in the process of reading it. It is a dry read but provides many insights why the IMF and WB money is frequently wasted in Third World projects.



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Posted: Tue Nov 20th, 2012 12:30
 
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jk wrote:
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Have you read the Schumaker book ?
I am still in the process of reading it. It is a dry read but provides many insights why the IMF and WB money is frequently wasted in Third World projects.


No. Will get it for my kindle and have a read.



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There's another interesting book ; Snakes in Suits.

In fact you don't need to buy the book, just google research and you'll soon see who's been doing us over.

 




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Nothing the Bundasbank would like better than UK leaving the EU. They would grab all the city banking (especially EU related) in a flash.


...........They'd be welcome, it isn't worth a toss.

We'd be better with some kind of deal with Russia and Scandinavia, they tell you we need the EU, but that's just propaganda.

 




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steve of oxford wrote:
Nothing the Bundasbank would like better than UK leaving the EU. They would grab all the city banking (especially EU related) in a flash.


...........They'd be welcome, it isn't worth a toss.

We'd be better with some kind of deal with Russia and Scandinavia, they tell you we need the EU, but that's just propaganda.


Not true, it's worth a lot to the exchequer, however unpalatable it may be.

Until we turn into a net exporter of goods instead of a net importer, we will have to rely on taxation of service industries for a considerable part of our income.

Besides ...what do you think we have got that the Scandanavians and Russians want any more than the EU?



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Besides ...what do you think we have got that the Scandanavians and Russians want any more than the EU?

....technology for starters. Better trade military and energy technology with Russia rather than continually giving it to america.

Not true, it's worth a lot to the exchequer

.....not to me it isn't. That bstd has been watching too much of my money and my fathers before me either leave the country or get wasted on unaccountable town hall fat cats.

Time for a hell of a change in this country.

 




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Most technology is available to any with deep pockets. Whether it is used profitable or for benefit to the country is another question.

Like Eric says the taxes derived from the financial sector in UK are considerable and until we manufacture real stuff rather than paper tigers of financial packages then we need to get as much out of the banks in taxes as possible.



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steve of oxford wrote: Besides ...what do you think we have got that the Scandanavians and Russians want any more than the EU?

....technology for starters. Better trade military and energy technology with Russia rather than continually giving it to america.

Not true, it's worth a lot to the exchequer

.....not to me it isn't. That bstd has been watching too much of my money and my fathers before me either leave the country or get wasted on unaccountable town hall fat cats.

Time for a hell of a change in this country.

There is no doubt that a huge amount of money is squandered in this country. The recent revelation THEY are spending £1million to create safe routes for badgers under some of our motorways...at the same time THEY are culling them as TB risks.

This sort of contradictory decision making is quite ridiculous. As are the inflated salaries of town hall and local goverment officials.



But there are two issues here.

1. Where is the best place for the UK to get its income?
2. How can we organise ourselves to spend limited income wisely?


I am under no illusions... for the time being the banking sector is crucial to the exchequer.

That doesnt stop us selling our wares to the Scandanavians and Russians. There is no EU trade embargo from dealing with non EU countries. And it would do the coffers even more good with this extra cash you feel is there for the taking.

So I would say...we should go and PROVE we can derive our income from non EU sources before we puff our chests out and shoot ourselves in the foot, burn our bridges or whatever cliche fits best. Because we would look really stupid if we took our toys home only to find brand UK isnt as saleable as we like to think it is.


But whatever the course of action, or the source of our income, there is no doubt that a better control of the expenditure in this country is urgently needed. We need to toughen up on some areas that are glaringly haemorrhaging precious resources.









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the real trouble is and this is not a racist statement just pure fact ,brand u.k is NOT that any more in reality ,in the majority of factories these days its made in britain by polish or other eu and immigrant workers .sad sad statement but totally true in well over 50% of the workplace .
whilst i was still working the last 15 years as a taxi driver ,i saw my customer base that was taken to and from factories to work dwindle away to virtually zero ,to be replaced by foreign workers who tended to use there own communal transport .not fiction but pure fact ,the factories are still there churning out the same stuff but not made by local labour anymore .
a lot of it is down to agency workers who don't have to be paid holidays etc but the foreigners will grab it with both hands .
as i said this is not racially motivated just fact ,so please (steve especially) do not turn it round to be that :readthis:

 




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this is not racially motivated just fact ,so please (steve especially) do not turn it round to be that

.....on the contrary, what you said is factual. There is nothing racist about it.

I've seen 'real' racism in the work place, and believe me it's horrid. People put through hell when all they are trying to do is earn a living just like anyone else.

If anyone is to blame for what you describe it's the bosses not the workforce.


brand u.k is NOT that any more

......I know. I also think it's time to stop messing about providing Mac Schrek-features with a cushy number bullshtting his own people, by braking up the UK and be done.

I for one am sick of the anti-English vitriol on the net coming from North of the wall, that quite honestly I can't see why we shouldn't have a referendum on whether we want Scotland joined to us. I'd be happy to get rid of it in an instant.

They've always peddled this crap about how us bad English did genocide on them, and for the last 300 years continually whinged, and most of us are so sick of their moaning I can't see why the government doesn't just do both sides a favour and tear up the Union & be done, both sides happy. Why mess about? Unless it's because messing about keeps fat political leaders in power.

 

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