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Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 07:17
 
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richw wrote:
One big benefit for me is instant backup. I use my iPad a lot for work and have had iCloud syncing since Lion. I have dropped the iPad a couple of times and there is a bit of damage, if not for the security of iCloud I would probably have replaced it as I would be worried about losing data if it failed. With iCloud this is not an issue, everything is instantly backed up.


Fair comment.



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With a proper keyboard I can finally keep up!

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Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 18:04
 
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Ok so iCloud doesnt work except on Apple platform, that doesnt worry me as I mainly use Apple kit these days but..... I also have Windows and Linux boxes which are outside the cloud.

Whilst I can see the need or desire to have all or some of your data synchronised between multiple machines it does not work for me! Why ?
1. Because I dont have sufficient confidence in external people to securely maintain my data and personal files.
2. I dont want some idiot in the FBI or CIA who desires to see my data being able to sub poena or just snoop, my data and I have no right of redress. Apple as a US company are obliged to release information to authorities in USA who deem it necessary for interests of national security. National security is a smokescreen to hid behind the paranoia of people who fear hyped up threats e.g. WMD and Iraq !!!
3. I dont have the internet bandwidth to allow an effective and rapid data transfer to do the sync without compromise to my mail and internet use. Yes the sync can happen as a trickle feed but when my current bandwith is 1Mb max. I dont want any further compromise.
4. I can sync my own files over my network so why should I get Apple to do it for me. Remember there is no such thing as a free lunch!


I rest my case. It is NOT for me.

It may work well for others with more internet bandwidth or without a personal network.



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I think Apple have kinda tried to make bit's of it work with other OS to give users a taster but bear in mind it's far from fully implemented even in Mountain Lion, where most of the functionality is embedded. Each new OS version is introducing more aspects of the iCloud. This IS ground breaking despite Kens assertion that it's old hat, the implementation of a world wide remote synchronisation on this scale and with this level of detail is a massive undertaking. Apple are feeling their way, one piece at a time.

Apple are also listening to feedback and are prepared to backtrack on some features if there is sufficient pressure. 'Save As' has been restored now in the latest version.

Regarding background synchronising of the minor data (bookmarks etc), if you want to enjoy the broad 'Apple Experience' then you have little choice but to go with the flow. You can turn off some or all aspects of the iCloud but I see that as far too much a self denial. I see no harm in syncing my bookmarks, calendar, contacts and stuff. If the FBI want to know my business they have plenty of ways of achieving that even if I was running a totally cloud free network.

It would be a simple matter to install a bot which eMailed my keystrokes for the day to them. However, I think they have enough genuine threats to monitor without bothering with me.

The only data I actually put in the iCloud are minor personal things, mainly drafts which I am working on and notes.

The way the data is saved to the cloud seems to be very economical, with the exception of the 100Mb TIFF images I have put in the iCloud, I have not noticed any delays on my connection as a result of 'stuff' being transmitted. My home internet connection is very flakey and is now running at <700Kb. A phone call and it all falls apart but I have had no issues with bandwidth and the iCloud.

Embracing the iCloud is obviously a personal thing but for the average person, I think the benefits outweigh the snags.

I refused to have a bank card for years, I ALWAYS used cash for everything, I still strictly minimise my involvement with 'job' outfits like PayPal but my life hasn't fallen apart since I started to use the bank card. There is little difference between the bank card and eMailing and the iCloud, sensitive personal info is being transmitted and stored outside you control by organisations who would sell their soul for a dime, which have to kow-tow to the authorities and have little allegiance to me. Of all the companies out there I think I would trust Apple most but they still have to kow-tow to the authorities.

The lunch is already paid for. >$600 Billion in the bank, cash? Apple see this as their way to further dominate the market by having such an appealing, feature rich product they become irresistible to the user even at premium prices. Who in their right mind pays £500 for a phone??? :hardhat:

Just my two cents to the debate!



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I can see the appeal but I remain unconvinced maybe I have too many machines and of different OSes.

I find the Apple money in the bank very interesting as Apple has always placed itself as a 'hardware' company but more and more the hardware is becoming notihing more than a commodity (that is beautifully designed) with great software on it. This places it more into a head to head with Microsoft.

I'd love to see what all this looks like in 100 years. :-)



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I can see the appeal but I remain unconvinced maybe I have too many machines and of different OSes.

I find the Apple money in the bank very interesting as Apple has always placed itself as a 'hardware' company but more and more the hardware is becoming nothing more than a commodity (that is beautifully designed) with great software on it. This places it more into a head to head with Microsoft.

I'd love to see what all thos looks like in 100 years. :-)



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Robert wrote:
I think Apple have kinda tried to make bit's of it work with other OS to give users a taster but bear in mind it's far from fully implemented even in Mountain Lion, where most of the functionality is embedded. Each new OS version is introducing more aspects of the iCloud. This IS ground breaking despite Kens assertion that it's old hat, the implementation of a world wide remote synchronisation on this scale and with this level of detail is a massive undertaking. Apple are feeling their way, one piece at a time.

Apple are also listening to feedback and are prepared to backtrack on some features if there is sufficient pressure. 'Save As' has been restored now in the latest version.

Regarding background synchronising of the minor data (bookmarks etc), if you want to enjoy the broad 'Apple Experience' then you have little choice but to go with the flow. You can turn off some or all aspects of the iCloud but I see that as far too much a self denial. I see no harm in syncing my bookmarks, calendar, contacts and stuff. If the FBI want to know my business they have plenty of ways of achieving that even if I was running a totally cloud free network.

It would be a simple matter to install a bot which eMailed my keystrokes for the day to them. However, I think they have enough genuine threats to monitor without bothering with me.

The only data I actually put in the iCloud are minor personal things, mainly drafts which I am working on and notes.

The way the data is saved to the cloud seems to be very economical, with the exception of the 100Mb TIFF images I have put in the iCloud, I have not noticed any delays on my connection as a result of 'stuff' being transmitted. My home internet connection is very flakey and is now running at <700Kb. A phone call and it all falls apart but I have had no issues with bandwidth and the iCloud.

Embracing the iCloud is obviously a personal thing but for the average person, I think the benefits outweigh the snags.

I refused to have a bank card for years, I ALWAYS used cash for everything, I still strictly minimise my involvement with 'job' outfits like PayPal but my life hasn't fallen apart since I started to use the bank card. There is little difference between the bank card and eMailing and the iCloud, sensitive personal info is being transmitted and stored outside you control by organisations who would sell their soul for a dime, which have to kow-tow to the authorities and have little allegiance to me. Of all the companies out there I think I would trust Apple most but they still have to kow-tow to the authorities.

The lunch is already paid for. >$600 Billion in the bank, cash? Apple see this as their way to further dominate the market by having such an appealing, feature rich product they become irresistible to the user even at premium prices. Who in their right mind pays £500 for a phone??? :hardhat:

Just my two cents to the debate!


The concept of iCloud makes a lot of sense for people who need to access and modify data in multiple locations and on different computers. For many, it's 'going with the flow' when they never really needed to get wet. After all, the whole idea of a laptop was so you could take your work with you....and not need to use a third party computer in different locations. If you work off the laptop all the time there is no need to sync with a second or third computer.

As a free backup service icloud does has value. ( incidentally I just discovered I DID set up an iCloud account and enable the backup feature when I got the iPad...amazing what you forget!)

But I personally don't need that degree of synchronicity in my life and anyway I don't have (or want!) Windows 7, required for it to work with PCs.



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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2012 08:28
 
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I tend to use it to put photos in, I can keep more accessible and add and subtract as needed.

While I like the ipad I would have sooner had a macbook.

 




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Iain wrote:
I tend to use it to put photos in, I can keep more accessible and add and subtract as needed.

While I like the ipad I would have sooner had a macbook.


I use Dropbox for that.



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Posted: Wed Aug 1st, 2012 05:39
 
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Eric wrote:
Iain wrote:
I tend to use it to put photos in, I can keep more accessible and add and subtract as needed.

While I like the ipad I would have sooner had a macbook.


I use Dropbox for that.


But you only get 2gb free with dropbox it's 5gb with iCloud

 

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