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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 10:15 |
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Judith
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Oops, didn't notice there were another two pages of posts - I am behind the times!! Bloody hell, Robert, I had to put my sunglasses on to look at that psychadelic number! :-O Eric, rabbit on as much as you like - all very interesting. 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 12:11 |
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TomOC
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Judith- It's not that they think you worked for an hour to make a cool image, they think you have some secret sauce app that makes all the improvements with a single click - and they don't know where to buy the app!!!
____________________ Tom O'Connell -Lots of people talk to animals.... Not very many listen, though.... That's the problem. Benjamin Hoff, The Tao of Pooh |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 12:13 |
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Judith
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I think people really do think that photoshop is some kind of magic app. As you say, one click et voila!! Sigh...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 12:28 |
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TomOC
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Well, it IS magic... But I haven't found the "viola" command yet...
____________________ Tom O'Connell -Lots of people talk to animals.... Not very many listen, though.... That's the problem. Benjamin Hoff, The Tao of Pooh |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 12:47 |
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jk
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 I have a whole box of secret sauce apps but unfortunately you need to make sure that the genie doesnt get out of the bottle too often? Like everything I think everyone has their own opinion of how much is right or wrong but ultimately it is a personal choice. If you dont like it then dont use it. I will say that since cameras dont have a curves app built in then using Photoshop or some other similar application is a must if you want to have a particular tonal range other than a straight line flat (monotonous) tone!
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 13:12 |
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Robert
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Didn't the Old Masters paint with a variety of home made pigments, oils and toners to get the exact shades they wanted, what's the difference?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 13:39 |
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TomOC
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Robert wrote:Didn't the Old Masters paint with a variety of home made pigments, oils and toners to get the exact shades they wanted, what's the difference? REALLY??? You mean that Rembrandt CHEATED???
____________________ Tom O'Connell -Lots of people talk to animals.... Not very many listen, though.... That's the problem. Benjamin Hoff, The Tao of Pooh |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 13:47 |
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Robert
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Well didn't Ansel Adams use a tripod? I'm told that's cheating... Where do we stop? Studio lights? Reflectors? Flash? Filters? I think the only true was it to BE THERE! LOL 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30th, 2013 05:36 |
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Eric
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Robert wrote: Well didn't Ansel Adams use a tripod? I'm told that's cheating... Its a valid question...at what point does 'manipulation' of the scene start. (Not sure even the most devout purist would condem a tripod as the devil's spawn.  )But using fill in flash/reflectors.... adjusting exposure selectively in the darkroom .....doing the same in photoshop, to me are all the same. Its just optimising the tonal range of the image to better reflect what the eye sees as opposed to what the limitations of the film/senor capture. Taking this argument further... What is the difference between selective cropping in the darkroom (we have all done it to better frame the subject and exclude distacting background detail we missed when shooting!) and cloning/airbrushing distracting detail from a photo? Personally I draw the line here..... After this there are all manner of manipulative 'degrees' but they are all fake 'photos'. Nothing wrong with that ...its artistic license. Its ok to change colours and add items not in the original scene for specific reasons but these cannot be regarded 'as seen'...just like most paintings! I include IR shots in this category. Whether done in camera or in photoshop they are distortions of the observed scene. Just as adding ANY filter on the front of the camera (with the possible exception of polarisers, NDs and haze filters???) is a distortion of the real scene. To this end I have always drawn (at least) a descriptive distinction between photos and images. Maybe semantics, but we capture photos ...and create images. my 2 cents.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30th, 2013 07:29 |
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jk
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I think that there is also another a point for consideration. This is where a photo is changed or has elements added (like your table and chairs in dappled shade) to show a potential result of buying the product. I think this is acceptable use of Photoshop. However the unacceptable side is where news or other journalistic images are deliberately changed in order to mislead the viewer to either make the photo more shocking or saleable. However the end game is deception. We also need to be aware that some people are more easily deceived than others!
____________________ Still learning after all these years! https://nikondslr.uk/gallery_view.php?user=2&folderid=none |
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