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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 07:48 |
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Squarerigger
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blackfox wrote: gary why not go for elements ,and you can buy/download it cheap from the APP store on apple ,it will give you most of what you need without the expense of the full version . Thanks Jeff. Nice to see another Aperture 3 user. I have been checking and find I can use any Adobe product as an additional editor. I really like how Aperture stores my photos. If elements will get me more capability, even if slower then CS as Eric states, then for $99 it may be worth while giving it a go. Oh, happy birthday to me!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 08:56 |
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Eric
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Squarerigger wrote: Eric wrote:Its got antique value now.Squarerigger wrote:richw wrote:Squarerigger wrote:Can photoshop elements accomplish the same things Eric did to the B&W shot with photoshop cs?  Elements will be fine.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 08:58 |
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Robert
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You have two options for image storage with Lightroom. You can ingest the images into the Lightroom storage dataholding file, which then means it is only accessable via Lightroom, in much the same way as iPhoto or Aperture, which is a deal killer to me. I find that a nightmare because you can't duplicate or move the images to other locations without exporting them. I spent two days moving about 20,000 images out of an iPhoto library recently when my friend updated his iMac, that was very hard work. If they had been in normal folders and accessible it would have been done in an hour. I tried moving the entire date file but after 4 hours it crashed and caused more problems. So I ended up exporting them, then re-importing them on the new compouter. Or, much better method, you can leave the images in normal folders in your preferred layout and structure, it their normal format, ie. NEF, TIFF, JPEG or what ever you prefer. Lightroom only stores a display image to speed up rendering while you review your images. That is my method. When I edit an image I create a folder within the same folder as the originals, called edits. Most of my image folders contain these 'edits' folders and I know that is where I can find the pick 'pick of the bunch' images edited, ready for use..
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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 12:49 |
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blackfox
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gary i do all initial processing in apeture 3 ,when happy with the image ,i export to desktop as a 8 bit tiff file ,then drag/drop into elements ,i initially layer my subject then apply de-noise via a plug in filter to background layer (i use imageonic ) but theres tons out there including freebies ,as most of my work is posted to flickr or forums i then reduce image size to 1024 pixels on largest side .then i apply final sharpening to layered subject .then simply re-name as a j-peg and export back to desktop ,close down elements . your image is then ready to post to flickr or wherever and/or import back into a finished folder in apeture
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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 16:11 |
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Squarerigger
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blackfox wrote: gary i do all initial processing in apeture 3 ,when happy with the image ,i export to desktop as a 8 bit tiff file ,then drag/drop into elements ,i initially layer my subject then apply de-noise via a plug in filter to background layer (i use imageonic ) but theres tons out there including freebies ,as most of my work is posted to flickr or forums i then reduce image size to 1024 pixels on largest side .then i apply final sharpening to layered subject .then simply re-name as a j-peg and export back to desktop ,close down elements . Jeff, I read someplace you could make elements 11 or any other program your external editor in aperture preferences and then the file goes back and forth between both programs without having to make folders, etc. I have to get someone to explain this "layers" to me, I have no idea what it is.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 16:59 |
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Robert
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Eric can probably describe it better than I can but from my perspective layers allows you to put different elements of the image on seperate layers. Each layer can be shown or hidden, adjusted indendently and the order of the layers can be changed. Any text you add is on a separate layer and can be moved, edited, rotated, reduced in transparency and a multitude of other things. Layers can also be used for very clever things like sharpening, bluring, darkening etc. Layers are a very powerful tool. One job I use layers for is to increase the depth ot focus and selective focus. For example, take a Magnolia tree, I try to position the camera so the best blooms are all in the sharp focus zone but one group of blooms may be rather out of it. I always try to use my lenses wide open to minimise distracting artifacts, so I expose the main image then I re-focus on the other group of blooms, expose that image, and take a few more just for good luck. Back home I pick the best match of the main exposure and the second group of blooms, layer the second group behind the main image, increase the transparency if the main image, align the images as well as I can, then using a soft edged brush erase the main image to reveal the sharp blooms behind. Bring the main image transparency up to 100% and make fine adjustments. When you are finished you can 'flatten' the image to remove the layers to create a normal single image file. That's just one example of thousands of things it can do. It can help to deal with high contrast images using a similar technique, instead of using HDR, bracket the exposures and layer the image. I could go on but I think you get the picture.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 5th, 2013 18:57 |
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Constable
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Robert Don't forget the import as dng option in LR. This has the advantage of portability as all tags and info are saved in the same file rather than as a sidecar. Ed
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| Posted: Sun Jan 6th, 2013 04:34 |
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Eric
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Squarerigger wrote: blackfox wrote:Layers are like transparent 'Acetate sheets' that you used for presentations on an overhead projector, back in the old days.gary i do all initial processing in apeture 3 ,when happy with the image ,i export to desktop as a 8 bit tiff file ,then drag/drop into elements ,i initially layer my subject then apply de-noise via a plug in filter to background layer (i use imageonic ) but theres tons out there including freebies ,as most of my work is posted to flickr or forums i then reduce image size to 1024 pixels on largest side .then i apply final sharpening to layered subject .then simply re-name as a j-peg and export back to desktop ,close down elements . You can add content (photos, text, filter effects, drawings...) to these acetates such that when you lay them on top of one another you get a cumulative effect. Unlike acetates though, photoshop allows you to modify the individual layers characteristics (relative to one another), so you can get a myriad of combined effects. In my last version of your photo, I cut out the man and placed him on a new layer above the background ....from which he was removed. Having thus seperated the two elements I was able to tilt and enlarge the 'man layer' then blur/ desaturate/darken the 'background layer' to better visually seperate the two parts. As Robert said, these are tip of the iceberg uses ....and layers is far more versatile once you start to explore them.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 6th, 2013 12:25 |
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Squarerigger
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Eric wrote: Squarerigger wrote:blackfox wrote:Layers are like transparent 'Acetate sheets' that you used for presentations on an overhead projector, back in the old days.gary i do all initial processing in apeture 3 ,when happy with the image ,i export to desktop as a 8 bit tiff file ,then drag/drop into elements ,i initially layer my subject then apply de-noise via a plug in filter to background layer (i use imageonic ) but theres tons out there including freebies ,as most of my work is posted to flickr or forums i then reduce image size to 1024 pixels on largest side .then i apply final sharpening to layered subject .then simply re-name as a j-peg and export back to desktop ,close down elements . Absolutely brilliant! Kind of like the biology book I had in school which had acetate sheets for anatomy - you kept adding sheets and pretty soon you had the entire human system. Really is a little scary being able to manipulate a photograph that much. I now understand how you did the magic with my photo.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 6th, 2013 12:33 |
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jk
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Squarerigger wrote: Eric wrote:Squarerigger wrote:blackfox wrote:Layers are like transparent 'Acetate sheets' that you used for presentations on an overhead projector, back in the old days.gary i do all initial processing in apeture 3 ,when happy with the image ,i export to desktop as a 8 bit tiff file ,then drag/drop into elements ,i initially layer my subject then apply de-noise via a plug in filter to background layer (i use imageonic ) but theres tons out there including freebies ,as most of my work is posted to flickr or forums i then reduce image size to 1024 pixels on largest side .then i apply final sharpening to layered subject .then simply re-name as a j-peg and export back to desktop ,close down elements . You will soon get the hang of it Gary.Everyone needs to start somewhere. Never to late to learn. 
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