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| Posted by blackfox: Mon Oct 7th, 2013 10:18 | 1st Post |
| hi gang made the hard decision last night to move back to canon ,i have struggled to get decent pics since buying the d7100 ,there is something not right about the raw files i cannot define it exactly but its like theres a infinity limit on the pics anything taken at infinity is out of focus tried all sorts with the lens and t.c combos but nothing worked ,when my second body decided to play up the other day it was the final straw .i have today returned the camera and surprisingly they gave me a full refund with no argument .and am now in the process of starting to e/bay my lenses etc .i will like ian continue to look in keep smiling
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| Posted by jk: Mon Oct 7th, 2013 11:32 | 2nd Post |
| Sorry you have had so much grief with the Nikon 7100. I'd offer you my D300 but I dont think it is really a step forward for you. Hope that the Canon purchase goes smoothly and that you continue to take great bird photos. Do drop in and post even if you are a Canon user. I have a Canon G12 that I use as well for my underwater stuff.
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| Posted by blackfox: Mon Oct 7th, 2013 12:33 | 3rd Post |
| i took that as read jonathon its a small group on here but helpful ,yes i could have gone back down the d300 route but its not what i wanted .things move on and its was not a lightly taken choice and you never know it may change again
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| Posted by jk: Mon Oct 7th, 2013 15:58 | 4th Post |
Of course now you have done that the long awaited D400 will be announced.
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| Posted by blackfox: Mon Oct 7th, 2013 16:40 | 5th Post |
| not bothered nikon have burnt my feathers to badly with this one ,got a couple of mates that are also going through the same problems ,its not what you see that counts its the untold numbers of binned shots
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| Posted by amazing50: Mon Oct 7th, 2013 23:10 | 6th Post |
| There are adaptors that allow you to use Nikon glass on a Canon. Don't know if autofocus works or how well. I've also had some concerns with infinity focus with my D600. Some seems to be from camera movement even at higher shutter speeds. It doesn't take much with the high pixil density to throw off sharpness a bit.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Oct 8th, 2013 07:18 | 7th Post |
amazing50 wrote: There are adaptors that allow you to use Nikon glass on a Canon. Don't know if autofocus works or how well.What problems are you having with 'infinity' focus? I must be missing something cos...Ive never taken a photograph that needed infinity to be in focus anyway? Or do you mean the lens focusing isnt reliable at extreme long distance settings? Sorry if I am being thick.
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| Posted by blackfox: Tue Oct 8th, 2013 08:04 | 8th Post |
| i know exactly what he means eric ,till you actually see the files you cant really define it the 7100 did exactly the same ,its not wrong but its definetly not right either .and just one of the little niggles i couldn't put my finger on .once you know its there though it drives you mad
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Oct 8th, 2013 09:06 | 9th Post |
blackfox wrote: i know exactly what he means eric ,till you actually see the files you cant really define it the 7100 did exactly the same ,its not wrong but its definetly not right either .and just one of the little niggles i couldn't put my finger on .once you know its there though it drives you madI would be truly interested in seeing an example of this. Can you post a crop of an unacceptable infinity focus...with a canon comparison? I am sort of getting the impression that Nikon pixels are not resolving the 'dithering' (for want of a better term) as well....but I may be way off the mark.
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| Posted by amazing50: Tue Oct 8th, 2013 23:50 | 10th Post |
| Eric, I took this shot up a side street while walking through the town of Elora Ontario a few days ago. It was taken with a Nikkor 24-120 f/3,5 on auto focus at 110 mm and 1/350sec. at f/8 with my D600. The church was at infinity. The crop of the steeple shows my infinity focus concern and the same crop after a quick run through with SmartDeblur, a new program I've been trying out. It must be remembered that these concerns are only for large prints or extreme crops, as this technical quality of picture could be easily hung as a Super B 1(3x19 inches) with minimal post processing. Attachment: MGA_1538 - Copy_res_cr.jpg (Downloaded 64 times)
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| Posted by amazing50: Tue Oct 8th, 2013 23:56 | 11th Post |
| Couldn't get it to take multiple pix Attachment: Image00001.jpg (Downloaded 65 times)
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| Posted by amazing50: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 00:00 | 12th Post |
| This is the crop without Smart Deblur, about 100% Attachment: MGA_1538 - Copy_cr3.jpg (Downloaded 63 times)
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 02:48 | 13th Post |
amazing50 wrote:Couldn't get it to take multiple pix Unfortunately it won't.  What aperture and shutter speed were you using? The image appears to have had the EXIF data removed so unfortunately I can't tell for myself. If you had taken that same image with a Nikkor 180mm f2.8 or a Nikkor 105mm f2.5 the image would be very different and we would be discussing how sharp it was. Zoom lenses and ultimate sharpness do not tend to come in the same box. I venture to suggest the sensor can out-resolve your lens. I am assuming it's hand held, the finial on the church has much detail and is against the bright sky. I would say that is as good an image as you can expect under those conditions. The definition of fine, backlit objects is very dependent on aperture and exposure, small changes in aperture make a big difference to the captured image, because the subject/background contrast is extreme. http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_zoom_01.html#AF24-120 Notice that Bj¸rn's tests were made with a D1X and D1H with no more than 5Mp and DX, I suspect he would need to revise his conclusions for an FX 24Mp camera. If you can get A3 prints which are satisfactory when viewed from 1.5 times the diagonal than I would be very happy, zooming in in the minutia on the screen is pointless unless you intend to make extreme crops or print wall size images. And even then I am sure when viewed from 1.5 times the diagonal it will be tack sharp.
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 04:00 | 14th Post |
amazing50 wrote: Eric, I took this shot up a side street while walking through the town of Elora Ontario a few days ago. It was taken with a Nikkor 24-120 f/3,5 on auto focus at 110 mm and 1/350sec. at f/8 with my D600. The church was at infinity. The crop of the steeple shows my infinity focus concern and the same crop after a quick run through with SmartDeblur, a new program I've been trying out. It must be remembered that these concerns are only for large prints or extreme crops, as this technical quality of picture could be easily hung as a Super B 1(3x19 inches) with minimal post processing.What point/object did you use to focus in the shot? How far away from you is the church? Whats the detail like in the car (right mid distance next to lamp post) registration plate when similarly cropped?
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| Posted by amazing50: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 09:22 | 15th Post |
| I was set at 11 auto focus points locked in the center with center weighted metering of 15. Iso 200 1/350sec f/8 110mm Nikkor 24/120 f/3.5-5.6G with VR on. I think this plate crop is at 100%. I would estimate the distance at about 100 meters to the church. The full pix that I posted had the EXIF data included but SmartDeblur seems to remove it on the crops. Interesting, I just downloaded my pic and it had the EXIF removed. Is this normal or did I slip up? Attachment: MGA_1538 - Plate crop.jpg (Downloaded 50 times)
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| Posted by jk: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 11:10 | 16th Post |
| Need to take the same picture with camera on a tripod. I dont have that lens but the lens can also make a big difference. I used to be able to hand hold at 1/20 with a 200mm but now it is not the case. Digital is much less tolerant (sharper) than film. At 24MP the camera is much much better than film ever was even Kodachrome 25.
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| Posted by amazing50: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 12:52 | 17th Post |
| Next time I'm out that way I'll use a tripod, do the mirror lockup and remote release, and also take my 70-200 2.8 VR Sigma and compare the lenses.
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 13:36 | 18th Post |
| Given the lens data you posted (Thanks) I feel it simply the sensor out resolving the lens. I don't see camera shake in that image. I will post a JPEG later to see if the forum software strips the EXIF data but the image size data survived? 
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 13:54 | 19th Post |
| An image I took earlier this year walking the boys to school one morning: JPEG with the EXIF intact when it left me. Attachment: DSC2517 Snow Flurries.jpg (Downloaded 45 times)
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 13:54 | 20th Post |
| The EXIF data: Attachment: Screen Shot 2013-10-09 at 19.52.23.jpg (Downloaded 42 times)
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 13:56 | 21st Post |
| The snow flurries image appears to have lost it's EXIF data.
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| Posted by amazing50: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 14:14 | 22nd Post |
| Robert what software did you use to get all that EXIF data? I only get 15 items with my viewer. I downloaded your pic and didn't get any EXIF data.
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 14:40 | 23rd Post |
| It's the Apple 'Preview' software, a default software bundled with the system. The basic Photoshop Cs5 Camera data EXIF is below for the same image and I will also post the full EXIF from Ps. Attachment: Screen Shot 2013-10-09 at 20.38.24.jpg (Downloaded 57 times)
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| Posted by Robert: Wed Oct 9th, 2013 14:41 | 24th Post |
| Full Photoshop EXIF. Attachment: Screen Shot 2013-10-09 at 20.37.22.jpg (Downloaded 61 times)
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 10:31 | 25th Post |
| Sorry to see you moving on Jeff. Iain is big into birding also and he left Nikon for Canon awhile ago and seems to be happy. May want to give him a pm, he still is a member on this forum. As an aside, I have moved on also but to Fuji. Got a good deal selling all my Nikon kit. I plan to hang around here, if it's ok, just because I like you guys.
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 13:03 | 26th Post |
Squarerigger wrote:Sorry to see you moving on Jeff. Iain is big into birding also and he left Nikon for Canon awhile ago and seems to be happy. May want to give him a pm, he still is a member on this forum. Which Fuji are you using now, Gary?
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 16:03 | 27th Post |
Eric wrote:Squarerigger wrote: I took the X20 along with my Nikon gear on a vacation in Europe last month. I ended up using the X20 about half the time mainly due to the weather and hiking up the mountains. Fell in love with the camera. I had been on the Fuji forum for over a year and I was pretty impressed with the line up. So, I decided to buy a X-Pro1 and the 18-55mm lens. Got it and really liked the camera, quirks and all. Ordered the 55-200mm lens and am waiting for the 23mm to come out. I like the weight of the kit. I can carry the X-pro1 with 18-55 attached and in a small bag carry the 55-200 and or the 23mm if I want both. My wife really likes the new kit, she says she is not nearly as worn out after carrying my kit around all day on trips. So, it's a win/win. My photography is travel, landscapes, family, and street. the Fuji does very well. I just don't need the Nikon anymore. It has been fun learning the X-Pro1 and I find myself slowing down and really thinking about what I am doing more now. I feel like I have my Nikon FM back only in digital. It does so many things well I can deal with the few quirks. I don't need super fast auto focus and burst speed.
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| Posted by jk: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 16:04 | 28th Post |
Squarerigger wrote:Sorry to see you moving on Jeff. Iain is big into birding also and he left Nikon for Canon awhile ago and seems to be happy. May want to give him a pm, he still is a member on this forum.Seems like people are switching, moving, exchanging kit. Personally I use Nikon, Fuji and Canon. The Canon is only a G12 but it gives good results underwater. What software are you using for the Fujis, Gary ? I guess you shoot RAW with the XPro1. No problem using non-Nikon kit and living here!
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| Posted by Eric: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 17:13 | 29th Post |
Squarerigger wrote:Eric wrote: I went for the XE1 and like you, took just it with the 18-55 and 55-200 on my recent holiday. Sadly, the wife had an accident cutting short our trip. So I didn't get to use it too many times. (neve took a single IR shot!) Hope to start again with it in earnest in Italy next May. Theres no doubt of the image quality. It just the speed of operation and battery life that currently let Fuji cameras down at the moment. It will be interesting to see what the next generation of Fujis achieve in these areas. My Nikon bodies may well be relegated to use with long telephotos only!
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 19:02 | 30th Post |
jk wrote:Squarerigger wrote: I use Aperture 3 and it does a fairly good job for the first iteration. I shot jpeg fine and RAW with the x20 and the xpro. I have taken to the fuji xpro like a fish in water! Thanks for letting me stay, I used Nikon for over 37 years! Time to move on for me but I have always liked this forum and the fine folks here.
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| Posted by Squarerigger: Fri Oct 11th, 2013 19:08 | 31st Post |
Eric wrote:Squarerigger wrote: i am very sorry to hear about your wife Eric. With your background and love of birding and long shots, I think you would be wise to hang on to the Nikon gear. We all have different styles and shooting styles. I am just thankful we have so many systems to choose from. I really like the OVF of the X-Pro and the information it can provide and that's the reason I went with it over the XE1. I am sure you will come to like the XE1 for travel. People don't pay any attention to me and the Fuji but when I pulled out the Nikon I was immediately visible.
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| Posted by Iain: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 10:37 | 32nd Post |
| Whats going on with Nikon guys? I have two friends with Nikon and one is giving it till April and if no D400 he's changing. Like others he's not happy with the D7100.
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| Posted by Eric: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 10:57 | 33rd Post |
Iain wrote:Whats going on with Nikon guys? I have two friends with Nikon and one is giving it till April and if no D400 he's changing. You could buck the trend and come back Iain. 
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| Posted by Iain: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 13:19 | 34th Post |
Eric wrote:Iain wrote: Afraid not Eric, the 1Dx is amazing.
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| Posted by jk: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 15:36 | 35th Post |
| Iain have you tried the Magic Lantern firmware on your Canon ? My friend showed his Canon running it and I was very impressed. I wish I could get this for my Nikons. For those who dont know about Magic Lantern see here. http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/7D_support
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| Posted by blackfox: Sat Oct 12th, 2013 16:50 | 36th Post |
as j.k says its all about posting so here goes and i like my buddies on here to  heres one of the first shots from my new rig on tuesday ,a buzzard just after landing on a rabbit (behind him) got a 200 + shot sequence as i stood there with the bird ignoring me ..camera canon 60d lens sigma 120-400mm os ,i had owned this combo for around a hour or less when i took this ,if you like it i'll post more  [rl  hi boys -I'M BACK by blackfox wildlife & nature imaging, on
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 13th, 2013 06:22 | 37th Post |
| Excellent shot. Poor rabbit but hey everyone has to eat! I think that you would have got the same result on your Nikon just you probably dont feel so comfortable with using it. 
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| Posted by blackfox: Sun Oct 13th, 2013 06:53 | 38th Post |
would probably have got better with my older nikons jonathon ,but not with that bloody d7100 .history now gives me something to learn anyway ,the camera and lens used for this shot will be for back up and for use by the wife ,my own gear is still taking shape bit by bit 
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| Posted by jk: Sun Oct 13th, 2013 16:43 | 39th Post |
Well it seems like the back up gear works well. 
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| Posted by Iain: Mon Oct 14th, 2013 08:03 | 40th Post |
jk wrote:Iain have you tried the Magic Lantern firmware on your Canon ? No I didn't Jonathan, I'm all 1series now.
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 07:32 | 41st Post |
amazing50 wrote: I was set at 11 auto focus points locked in the center with center weighted metering of 15. Iso 200 1/350sec f/8 110mm Nikkor 24/120 f/3.5-5.6G with VR on.Have just posted this article on another thread. but it may also have a bearing on this infinity focus debate.... http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/stuff2/?p=1143
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| Posted by jk: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 09:34 | 42nd Post |
| Eric, That link doesnt work for me. Please can you adjust.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 09:58 | 43rd Post |
| I think it's here, haven't read it all yet but it's definitely hyperfocal. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/hyperfocal_distance.html
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 10:23 | 44th Post |
Robert wrote:I think it's here, haven't read it all yet but it's definitely hyperfocal. Yes that's it.
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| Posted by jk: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 11:55 | 45th Post |
| Thanks Eric and Robert.
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| Posted by jk: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 11:59 | 46th Post |
| That is a very good article and really emphasises the point that you need to focus at or around the area you want sharp and then adjust accordingly. Rather than fixing focus and assuming everything is in focus between two points. This technique is used in street photography for grab shots. They are in focus but not sharply focused!!
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| Posted by Eric: Thu Oct 17th, 2013 14:55 | 47th Post |
jk wrote:That is a very good article and really emphasises the point that you need to focus at or around the area you want sharp and then adjust accordingly. I've been doing this unwittingly for sometime. I use to do the '1/3 in' routine but noticed the rear elements were not always perfect. I especially found this with long machinery when close up. But I guess it's more applicable to landscapes.
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| Posted by richw: Sun Oct 27th, 2013 17:42 | 48th Post |
| It's a bit beyond my level, I tend to do the 1/3 in and make a judgement on what aperture is necessary. One thing I have being doing more of recently with portraits of two people together is (if I can) to try and get them level to the camera. If not I have noticed that getting the eyes of the subject that is slightly forward sharp makes a better image than the rear, subconsciously when photographing two people I know I was always focusing on my favourite of the two until recently. I have also begun to wonder recently how it is that some people have faces that autofocus just snaps sharply on and others don't. My sister has a son (three) and a daughter (two), Autofocus is spot on every time with the daughter but really struggles with her son. It's not just my photos this effects, it is apparent in a lot of photos the family have taken.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Oct 28th, 2013 10:48 | 49th Post |
richw wrote: It's a bit beyond my level, I tend to do the 1/3 in and make a judgement on what aperture is necessary. One thing I have being doing more of recently with portraits of two people together is (if I can) to try and get them level to the camera. If not I have noticed that getting the eyes of the subject that is slightly forward sharp makes a better image than the rear, subconsciously when photographing two people I know I was always focusing on my favourite of the two until recently.His name isnt Damien is it? First thought would be a more uniform skin complexion, but the shape of the face can influence the way ambient reflects, reducing contrast.
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